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[JUVEMOOD]

There is a secret document.. paper color is pink, 12' font Calibri body. Text is centered.



It is very fucking dangerous document that will change everything




'#JUVE, THERE IS ALSO A SECRET LETTER'

Why did the Supervisory Committee on Professional Football Clubs (COVISOC) write to the Federal Prosecutor on April 14th 2022? And why doesn't the Federal Prosecutor want to show that document that could backdate the investigation and constitute a vice of form? Another mystery in the investigation.

[Front Page TuttoSport via @AroundJuventus]

 

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[Scottish]

There is a secret document.. paper color is pink, 12' font Calibri body. Text is centered.



It is very fucking dangerous document that will change everything




'#JUVE, THERE IS ALSO A SECRET LETTER'

Why did the Supervisory Committee on Professional Football Clubs (COVISOC) write to the Federal Prosecutor on April 14th 2022? And why doesn't the Federal Prosecutor want to show that document that could backdate the investigation and constitute a vice of form? Another mystery in the investigation.

[Front Page TuttoSport via @AroundJuventus]

Just when you thought it couldn''t get any more barmy there's an enchanted parchment on the loose now

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And if not, the trash will find a away to steal them

Throw them in the trash in Naples and they'll stay there unclaimed for a hundred years

 

[singus]

Imagine following all these "news" (bored journalists and VS and Twitter fanatics) and victimizing ourselves and calling everyone else frauds

If we are not clean (obviosly we are not), we must take the punishment and purge our club for once. It doenst matter too much that others also did something. Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Lets see it play out before crying about unfair treatment and huge conspiracies and taking down Italian football , its not like a lot of dirt hasnt already been found.

 

[Bjerknes]

The plusvalenza case is pure nonsense. The under the table Covid wages is another matter because it could violate agreed upon protocol. We shouldn’t conflate how terrible we are on the pitch and the coaches box with the accounting practices, even if they may seem like symptoms of one another.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Imagine following all these "news" (bored journalists and VS and Twitter fanatics) and victimizing ourselves and calling everyone else frauds

If we are not clean (obviosly we are not), we must take the punishment and purge our club for once. It doenst matter too much that others also did something. Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Lets see it play out before crying about unfair treatment and huge conspiracies and taking down Italian football 2:, its not like a lot of dirt hasnt already been found.

Juventus is 125 years of history
Hundreds of Millions of fans

A bunch of incompetent people in a while has nothing to warrant a KO.

The same applies for any club with history.

Even in this post.. you are saying clean.. what is clean.. who is clean.. etc..

It is all about equal treatment

 

[Strickland]

Imagine following all these "news" (bored journalists and VS and Twitter fanatics) and victimizing ourselves and calling everyone else frauds

If we are not clean (obviosly we are not), we must take the punishment and purge our club for once. It doenst matter too much that others also did something. Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Lets see it play out before crying about unfair treatment and huge conspiracies and taking down Italian football , its not like a lot of dirt hasnt already been found.

My biggest gripe is that plusvalenza doesnt generate a sporting advantage, the -15 is ridiculous, Serie A competition wasnt compromised. I dont mind them fining the club, the bookkeepers and directors, although hard to prove, it does seem obvious club did engage in plusvalenza and broke bookkeeping rules.

Its similar to last summers Barca who kept loaning money from future Barca, only in our case it was for bookkeeping purposes and not cash flow related. They didnt and we didnt illegaly generate value out of thin air, both irresponsibly damaged future selves.

 

[s4tch]

There is a secret document.. paper color is pink, 12' font Calibri body. Text is centered.



It is very fucking dangerous document that will change everything




'#JUVE, THERE IS ALSO A SECRET LETTER'

Why did the Supervisory Committee on Professional Football Clubs (COVISOC) write to the Federal Prosecutor on April 14th 2022? And why doesn't the Federal Prosecutor want to show that document that could backdate the investigation and constitute a vice of form? Another mystery in the investigation.

[Front Page TuttoSport via @AroundJuventus]

that's actually some interesting stuff. everyone except some dumbos realized by now that the prosecutor has an agenda against juventus. no one except some dumbos would be surprised if he turned out to be a corrupt dickhead too

 

[JUVEMOOD]

that's actually some interesting stuff. everyone except some dumbos realized by now that the prosecutor has an agenda against juventus. no one except some dumbos would be surprised if he turned out to be a corrupt dickhead too

No one knows shit.

Just write some shit, it could come true and your labeled a guru

 

[s4tch]

No one knows shit.

Just write some shit, it could come true and your labeled a guru

dude, some journalists posted screenshots of the juve players' whatsapp group

when it comes to physical evidence they are surprisingly well informed in some cases

 

[Valerio.]

Imagine following all these "news" (bored journalists and VS and Twitter fanatics) and victimizing ourselves and calling everyone else frauds

If we are not clean (obviosly we are not), we must take the punishment and purge our club for once. It doenst matter too much that others also did something. Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Lets see it play out before crying about unfair treatment and huge conspiracies and taking down Italian football , its not like a lot of dirt hasnt already been found.

how about you temporarly stop posting here?
any mod around?

 

[Mike-e-y]

The plus valenza investigation and penalty is ridiculous. What I don’t get about it is even if we did use it it’s going to harm us in the long run without a penalty. So we trade two players both for 10m for an instant 8m profit but we still damage our books over the next 5 years with the 10m fee + wages. It may be a short term gain but it’s a long term burden - just look at the Arthur deal… it’s not even good practice so I fail to see how we’ve benefitted from it let alone how we should be punished for it…

On the prisma investigation can someone please clarify, we’re being accused of paying our players 3 months of salary back in ‘bonus’s’ the following financial year right? If those bonus’s have been reported and accounted for in 2021/22’s numbers which it seems that they have then what exactly is the problem with what we’ve done???

 

[Valerio.]

My biggest gripe is that plusvalenza doesnt generate a sporting advantage, the -15 is ridiculous, Serie A competition wasnt compromised. I dont mind them fining the club, the bookkeepers and directors, although hard to prove, it does seem obvious club did engage in plusvalenza and broke bookkeeping rules.

Its similar to last summers Barca who kept loaning money from future Barca, only in our case it was for bookkeeping purposes and not cash flow related. They didnt and we didnt illegaly generate value out of thin air, both irresponsibly damaged future selves.

I mean in the end plusvalenze were like taking a loan.
Helping the books that financial year but loading next books with extra costs that wouldn't benefit you but just hold you down financially.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Imagine following all these "news" (bored journalists and VS and Twitter fanatics) and victimizing ourselves and calling everyone else frauds

If we are not clean (obviosly we are not), we must take the punishment and purge our club for once. It doenst matter too much that others also did something. Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Lets see it play out before crying about unfair treatment and huge conspiracies and taking down Italian football , its not like a lot of dirt hasnt already been found.

Mental illness.


Not that it comes as a surprise.

 

[Valerio.]

The plus valenza investigation and penalty is ridiculous. What I don’t get about it is even if we did use it it’s going to harm us in the long run without a penalty. So we trade two players both for 10m for an instant 8m profit but we still damage our books over the next 5 years with the 10m fee + wages. It may be a short term gain but it’s a long term burden - just look at the Arthur deal… it’s not even good practice so I fail to see how we’ve benefitted from it let alone how we should be punished for it…

On the prisma investigation can someone please clarify, we’re being accused of paying our players 3 months of salary back in ‘bonus’s’ the following financial year right? If those bonus’s have been reported and accounted for in 2021/22’s numbers which it seems that they have then what exactly is the problem with what we’ve done???

that since we're a public traded company for the controllers of italian stock market (Consob/Covisoc) we still had to report those money in the 2019-2020 financial year and not later in bonuses.
They aren't talking about waived 4months salary and paid under the table by Exor or whoever. No. But accounting technicality mistake that in everybody case doesn't matter but for us it's extremely important as we have shareholders and whats not.
Since postpaying those 91m could give a better opinion to shareholders and possible investors leading to a "fraud".
It's funny when bayerndude talks about under the table payments lol.
Everything paid above the table in bonus in the following financial year. Everything traced in banks transfers.
They didn't get cash money lol!

I mean who would believe players would gift 4months salary to their club?!? nobody. Everybody would straight jump up to "Exor somehow gave them under the table money" and if that really happened we'd be in real shit! penally and in sportingly speaking.

Serie A has a rule about it that lead from points deduction to Serie B + 1-3 times the ammount of money evaded to be paid in fine.
So let's say we did it for 91m? we'd be at risk of a fine from 91m to 273m.

 

[Strickland]

that since we're a public traded company for the controllers of italian stock market (Consob/Covisoc) we still had to report those money in the 2019-2020 financial year and not later in bonuses.
They aren't talking about waived 4months salary and paid under the table by Exor or whoever. No. But accounting technicality mistake that in everybody case doesn't matter but for us it's extremely important as we have shareholders and whats not.
Since postpaying those 91m could give a better opinion to shareholders and possible investors leading to a "fraud".
It's funny when bayerndude talks about under the table payments lol.
Everything paid above the table in bonus in the following financial year. Everything traced in banks transfers.
They didn't get cash money lol!

I mean who would believe players would gift 4months salary to their club?!? nobody. Everybody would straight jump up to "Exor somehow gave them under the table money" and if that really happened we'd be in real shit! penally and in sportingly speaking.

Serie A has a rule about it that lead from points deduction to Serie B + 1-3 times the ammount of money evaded to be paid in fine.
So let's say we did it for 91m? we'd be at risk of a fine from 91m to 273m.

bayerndude is clueless, doesn't know the situation but wants to teach everyone on why they're wrong

 

[Mike-e-y]

that since we're a public traded company for the controllers of italian stock market (Consob/Covisoc) we still had to report those money in the 2019-2020 financial year and not later in bonuses.
They aren't talking about waived 4months salary and paid under the table by Exor or whoever. No. But accounting technicality mistake that in everybody case doesn't matter but for us it's extremely important as we have shareholders and whats not.
Since postpaying those 91m could give a better opinion to shareholders and possible investors leading to a "fraud".
It's funny when bayerndude talks about under the table payments lol.
Everything paid above the table in bonus in the following financial year. Everything traced in banks transfers.
They didn't get cash money lol!

I mean who would believe players would gift 4months salary to their club?!? nobody. Everybody would straight jump up to "Exor somehow gave them under the table money" and if that really happened we'd be in real shit! penally and in sportingly speaking.

Serie A has a rule about it that lead from points deduction to Serie B + 1-3 times the ammount of money evaded to be paid in fine.
So let's say we did it for 91m? we'd be at risk of a fine from 91m to 273m.

Ok that makes sense. But did we really mislead shareholders when we posted losses of 230m and 210m in those two years? It sounds like a technicality, hopefully our defence can justify that because I can’t really see how we’ve gained a sporting advantage from it.

 

[Valerio.]

Ok that makes sense. But did we really mislead shareholders when we posted losses of 230m and 210m in those two years? It sounds like a technicality, hopefully our defence can justify that because I can’t really see how we’ve gained a sporting advantage from it.

yeah it's not like Exor pumped 700m in the past 3-4years.... I mean adding 100m wouldn't change a thing but as a technicality they're trying to punish us for it.
Like for these plusvalenze case. They won't punish us for the "plusvalenza" but for the evil system we set up!!

 

[Strickland]

Ok that makes sense. But did we really mislead shareholders when we posted losses of 230m and 210m in those two years? It sounds like a technicality, hopefully our defence can justify that because I can’t really see how we’ve gained a sporting advantage from it.

we mislead shareholders in both directions. since we've been doing plusvalenza since Beppe days and by then it had probably added up to quite a sum, the fictitious losses from all those fictitiously inflated deals play just as important part as the fictitious capital gains and secretly deferred wages.

 

[singus]

how about you temporarly stop posting here?
any mod around?

Before you cry about banning people, can you answer the questions in that same quote?

Who are we defending here ? What is Juventus nowadays? Its a bunch of random incompetent people and mercenaries who dont give a shit, and only a few likeable players are left.

Do you know who these people are? Are they passionate about the club and you?

None of what I associate with Juve is currently present at the club and they have shown no intend to care for their fanbase, so why are some ridiculing themselves running their causes.

Sit back, wait till the dust settles and Juve will be built back up again. Hopefully with as little from this era as possible. I dont care if we receive more penalty than Milan or Inter. They are shit anyways and not something to benchmark against. Who cares.

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Mental illness.


Not that it comes as a surprise.

Glad to see that someone finally pulled that dick out of your throat.

 

[Valerio.]

you're writing like a troll.
I wouldn't be bothered if you explained your thinking in a more neutral and less deranged way.
But you wrote something that someone like a napoli's or inter fan would.
I've been banned for harsh criticizing our manager in the past.
This kind of post to me warrant for a very long ban.
Nothing costructive just baseless and harsh shit about our club.
All those incompetents left and now we don't need to be killed for menial things that aren't illegal.

Now that very homophic insult to DaiDEViL.... that's a goodbye for me.
Go back to your inter,napoli,whatever cave forum.

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@Iceman