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Nov 26, 2006
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#44
Freedom fighters do exist.

It's just that people tend to be freedom fighters and terrorists, rather than one or the other as is often claimed.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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#45
freedom fighter is the perspective on whether or not you agree with what a terrorist is doing. so regardless the person is still a terrorist. Che Guevara is the archetypcal 'freedom fighter' and he was a horrible cunt. I don't care whether or not i/you agree with why someone does something they are still a terrorist.

And non state terrorism doesnt work in the late 20th/21st century
 

IrishZebra

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Jun 18, 2006
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#46
but you see you're claiming to be taking things factually there but you are still framing it as if being a Terrorist is a bad thing.

I know the Adage is a load of bollocks, obviously fighting for freedom and using violence to achieve political aims are not mutually exclusive ideals.
 
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    The families of the victims of the 'Ballymurphy Masscre' are also looking an apology now, I can't see it happening though.

    The Ballymurphy Massacre

    The Ballymurphy Massacre was the killing of eleven civilians by the British Army in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The killings occurred between the 9th and 11th of August 1971, during Operation Demetrius.

    The Northern Ireland "Troubles" had been raging for two years and Belfast was torn apart by political and sectarian violence. The Army had been deployed in Northern Ireland in 1969, ostensibly to keep the peace.

    On the morning of Monday 9 August 1971, the security forces launched Operation Demetrius. The plan was to arrest and imprison without charge or trial anyone suspected of being members of paramilitary groups. Troops locked down the Ballymurphy area, and as they entered they were allegedly fired upon by republicans.

    Six civilians were shot on 9 August, these were:

    Francis Quinn (19), shot by a sniper (who had taken position at the nearby army base) while going to the aid of a wounded man.

    Hugh Mullan (38), a Catholic priest, shot by a sniper while going to the aid of a wounded man.

    Joan Connolly (50), shot as she stood opposite the army base

    Daniel Teggart (44), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    Noel Phillips (20), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    Joseph Murphy (41), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    One civilian was shot on 10 August, and another four were shot on 11 August, these were:

    Edward Doherty (28), shot while walking along Whiterock Road.

    John Laverty (20)and Joseph Corr (43) were shot at separate points at the Top of the Whiterock Road. John was shot twice once in the back and once in the back of the leg. Mr Corr was shot multiple times and died of his injuries on the 27th of August.

    John McKerr (49), shot while standing outside the Roman Catholic Church, died of his injuries on 20 August.

    Paddy McCarthy (44) got into a confrontation with a group of soldiers. One of them allegedly put an empty gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. As a result, McCarthy suffered a heart-attack and died shortly thereafter.

    The families of the victims continue to seek acknowledgment from the British government that those killed were innocent of any wrongdoing


    Congrats on the formal apology.
    :pint:
     

    Ford Prefect

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    May 28, 2009
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    #60
    The families of the victims of the 'Ballymurphy Masscre' are also looking an apology now, I can't see it happening though.

    The Ballymurphy Massacre

    The Ballymurphy Massacre was the killing of eleven civilians by the British Army in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The killings occurred between the 9th and 11th of August 1971, during Operation Demetrius.

    The Northern Ireland "Troubles" had been raging for two years and Belfast was torn apart by political and sectarian violence. The Army had been deployed in Northern Ireland in 1969, ostensibly to keep the peace.

    On the morning of Monday 9 August 1971, the security forces launched Operation Demetrius. The plan was to arrest and imprison without charge or trial anyone suspected of being members of paramilitary groups. Troops locked down the Ballymurphy area, and as they entered they were allegedly fired upon by republicans.

    Six civilians were shot on 9 August, these were:

    Francis Quinn (19), shot by a sniper (who had taken position at the nearby army base) while going to the aid of a wounded man.

    Hugh Mullan (38), a Catholic priest, shot by a sniper while going to the aid of a wounded man.

    Joan Connolly (50), shot as she stood opposite the army base

    Daniel Teggart (44), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    Noel Phillips (20), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    Joseph Murphy (41), shot as he stood opposite the army base.

    One civilian was shot on 10 August, and another four were shot on 11 August, these were:

    Edward Doherty (28), shot while walking along Whiterock Road.

    John Laverty (20)and Joseph Corr (43) were shot at separate points at the Top of the Whiterock Road. John was shot twice once in the back and once in the back of the leg. Mr Corr was shot multiple times and died of his injuries on the 27th of August.

    John McKerr (49), shot while standing outside the Roman Catholic Church, died of his injuries on 20 August.

    Paddy McCarthy (44) got into a confrontation with a group of soldiers. One of them allegedly put an empty gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. As a result, McCarthy suffered a heart-attack and died shortly thereafter.

    The families of the victims continue to seek acknowledgment from the British government that those killed were innocent of any wrongdoing

    And they can all fuck off.
     

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