I also don't really see the point in apologising for one incident surrounded by any number of despicable acts by both sides, which all seem to have been forgotten about amongst all this.
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To be fair my original post was about them apologising for all the atrocties that they commited in Ireland, from Cromwell to the Black n Tans.
Don't get me wrong the IRA these days are dickheads but back when NI was first founded there was an Apartheid against Catholics by the state and something needed to be done. The problem began when they started attacking civilians. I think most Irish people think it is justified to attack soldier or other paramilitaries to free the country from occupation
Don't get me wrong the IRA these days are dickheads but back when NI was first founded there was an Apartheid against Catholics by the state and something needed to be done. The problem began when they started attacking civilians. I think most Irish people think it is justified to attack soldier or other paramilitaries to free the country from occupation
I'm not about to get into any sort of debate on the rights or wrongs of how things are/were in terms of the division of Ireland and how the British acted.
Given the numbers of wrongs there were on both sides, I would have considered it better to try to draw a line and move on, rather than revisiting individual incidents since they almost inevitably involve opening up old issues.
Given the numbers of wrongs there were on both sides, I would have considered it better to try to draw a line and move on, rather than revisiting individual incidents since they almost inevitably involve opening up old issues.
The only reason this resonates with you at all is that there is still British 'occupation' in Ireland, otherwise it would just be another case of thousands of years of human civilisations becoming dominant over each other. Virtually every people of the world, including British several times, have been dicked over, raped, pillaged and murdered by another people but I don't find myself holding a grudge against Mr Mortensen of Copenhagen or Mr El Hadad of Casablanca for something their ancestors might have done to my ancestors. If it wasn't Britain it would be France or Spain, or whatever colonial power held ground. Let's get back to the real issue here, an atrocity that occured in 1972, not something that started when civilisation and society didn't bear any resemblance to what we would call it today.
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British atrocities in Ireland continued after 1921, the Free State seem to forget that, its as if they think the Northeners brought it on themselves.
The PIRA defended the Catholic/Nationalist community with great courage from Loyalist mobs. (see Battle of St Matthew's) so I don't agree that they should be labeled dickheads.
The PIRA defended the Catholic/Nationalist community with great courage from Loyalist mobs. (see Battle of St Matthew's) so I don't agree that they should be labeled dickheads.
No need to reply considering that using violence for political means is a VALID tactic. Terrorism is just that, states use it and no-state actors use it, it's no an illigitimate form of warfare, the frend resistence in WW2 were terrorists, the Nazi's were terrorists, Tony Blair was a terrorist, if those being slaughtered in the Sudan take up arms against the militias and fight back in order to change the government so they stop getting murdered they are terrorists.
It's the same situation with your tirade against racism, you've bought into the media and foreign policy elite driven version of events and accepted societal standards that are held up as right but rarely if ever practicsed.
Thanks for letting me know why my opinions and feelings resonate with me.
I suggest you read about the history of ireland in the 20th century, or was civilsation not around in 1920 when British soldiers entered a GAA football game and killed 31 innocent people? Or Collusion between the British Army and Loyalist Paramilitaries that lasted until the late 1980s?
I don't know where your post came from cosidering you're a very good poster here but not only is it ignorant it's also effectively nullifying abuses that happened less than 25 years ago.
Like I said, an official appology and admission of guilt would have a significant impact of both communities north and south
Thactherite.
It's the same situation with your tirade against racism, you've bought into the media and foreign policy elite driven version of events and accepted societal standards that are held up as right but rarely if ever practicsed.
Thanks for letting me know why my opinions and feelings resonate with me.
I suggest you read about the history of ireland in the 20th century, or was civilsation not around in 1920 when British soldiers entered a GAA football game and killed 31 innocent people? Or Collusion between the British Army and Loyalist Paramilitaries that lasted until the late 1980s?
I don't know where your post came from cosidering you're a very good poster here but not only is it ignorant it's also effectively nullifying abuses that happened less than 25 years ago.
Like I said, an official appology and admission of guilt would have a significant impact of both communities north and south
Thactherite.
To be fair you sort of mention specifics and then go more general but in all honesty there's no point apoligising for doing X and Y if you did Z as well and it was much worse.
Look, I don't think it's too much to ask to have the monarch/PM say something along the lines.
"We're deeply sorry for the pain and suffering inflicted on the Irish people throughout the history of British colonialism, we accept that abhorent behaviour and atrocities were committed which the government and people of the United Kingdom regret sincerely an accept wholeheartedily our responsiblity and involement therin. In the spirit of freindship between the two closest of neighbours we feel it necessery to engage with the past both good and bad in order to facilitate better relations in the future."
I'm not asking for Northern Ireland back (although at some point that'd be swell) or reperations just an apology.
Look, I don't think it's too much to ask to have the monarch/PM say something along the lines.
"We're deeply sorry for the pain and suffering inflicted on the Irish people throughout the history of British colonialism, we accept that abhorent behaviour and atrocities were committed which the government and people of the United Kingdom regret sincerely an accept wholeheartedily our responsiblity and involement therin. In the spirit of freindship between the two closest of neighbours we feel it necessery to engage with the past both good and bad in order to facilitate better relations in the future."
I'm not asking for Northern Ireland back (although at some point that'd be swell) or reperations just an apology.