So they take them as they want and what they want or doctors give them such things?
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Forgive my naieveness/silliness here but i had thought it should have been something like........
Club doctor prescribes medication/suppliment and all these are documented arn't they??
From here you can see what's given and the quantity......
Any extra subtances or subtances in excess amounts = doping.........so player's fault
So...... why was DP confused?? Isn't it just.... take what they give you and the amount prescribed. If you arn't sure...... get the doctor to work out a prescription schedule for you........
If you want to take any other supplement etc..... just get the doctor to approve it on paper.
If it's something illegal you want to take....... that's your own risk........
no???
Club doctor prescribes medication/suppliment and all these are documented arn't they??
From here you can see what's given and the quantity......
Any extra subtances or subtances in excess amounts = doping.........so player's fault
So...... why was DP confused?? Isn't it just.... take what they give you and the amount prescribed. If you arn't sure...... get the doctor to work out a prescription schedule for you........
If you want to take any other supplement etc..... just get the doctor to approve it on paper.
If it's something illegal you want to take....... that's your own risk........
no???
Cesare Prandelli says Blasi was crying all night and couldn't believe that he was accussed of doping .. the Parma doctors believe he is clean too because they already take blood, urine, and hair samples from all of their players and nothing came out .. but the mistery seems to be solved when Blasi recalled taking a double dose of antibiotics when he had a cold :down:
Sunshine and Vit .. the problem with Nandrolone is that it isn't usual written in the ingredients of suppliments/medicine .. but taking those supliments could increase the nandrolone levels in your body .. so it's hard for doctors and players to keep up with everything ..
Sunshine and Vit .. the problem with Nandrolone is that it isn't usual written in the ingredients of suppliments/medicine .. but taking those supliments could increase the nandrolone levels in your body .. so it's hard for doctors and players to keep up with everything ..
Problem is this substance can be found in many things, including everday food we eat, so basically all of us could be doped right now 
Parma doctors effect weekly checks on their players, including hair and urine tests and Blasi never resulted positive. Apparently Blasi does not even take aspirins so not to risk being positive.
The 2nd analysis wil 99% show he's positive again, and that will mean he can get a football ban of at least 4 months up to 20 months depending on teh circumstances.
It's a pity for Blasi. The players know better and I don't think it's the player's fault in these cases. The blame should go to the docs who give the players substances with their food; it's them who should know better.
Parma doctors effect weekly checks on their players, including hair and urine tests and Blasi never resulted positive. Apparently Blasi does not even take aspirins so not to risk being positive.
The 2nd analysis wil 99% show he's positive again, and that will mean he can get a football ban of at least 4 months up to 20 months depending on teh circumstances.
It's a pity for Blasi. The players know better and I don't think it's the player's fault in these cases. The blame should go to the docs who give the players substances with their food; it's them who should know better.
See, this is what happens when you go to Pizza Hut instead of chemistry and Biology classes in high school.
And now I'm a government underwriter.
Oh my.
Thanx for the info shadow.
Like I said earlier, I remember a couple of NFL players were suspended for it, and they didn't even realize that they had taken it.
I see.... thanks dpforever and Zizou, but......
-double dos of antibiotics? Given by who? Club doctor or other doctor or he bought them himself???
- Not stated as ingredient..... that's the supplemennt/medicine company's fault isn't it??? If this subtance is potentially a kind of drug..... it must be stated....... if it isn't really condisered as a drug..... then maybe the comapny doesn't need to state it, but then neither should it be tested for in that case.
- Found in food? I don't believe that levels of these things can be very high in foods. Usually these are quite minimal. And if there are a handfull of foods that have exceptionally hight levels of this subtance... players should be made known about it.
- Also if it's found in food....as in natural food......can it really be considered as a drug?
Ok, for example...caffiene...... it IS a stimulant, it's natural and found usually in low amounts in food except, Coffee, tea and coca cola......
what happens here??
i'm sori.... i'm just firing wild questions here because i don't know too much about this dopping issue :down:
And poor Balsi....... doesn't sound as if it's his fault :frown:
-double dos of antibiotics? Given by who? Club doctor or other doctor or he bought them himself???
- Not stated as ingredient..... that's the supplemennt/medicine company's fault isn't it??? If this subtance is potentially a kind of drug..... it must be stated....... if it isn't really condisered as a drug..... then maybe the comapny doesn't need to state it, but then neither should it be tested for in that case.
- Found in food? I don't believe that levels of these things can be very high in foods. Usually these are quite minimal. And if there are a handfull of foods that have exceptionally hight levels of this subtance... players should be made known about it.
- Also if it's found in food....as in natural food......can it really be considered as a drug?
Ok, for example...caffiene...... it IS a stimulant, it's natural and found usually in low amounts in food except, Coffee, tea and coca cola......
what happens here??
i'm sori.... i'm just firing wild questions here because i don't know too much about this dopping issue :down:
And poor Balsi....... doesn't sound as if it's his fault :frown:
10/16/2003. AC Parma are in shock following the news that their midfielder Emanuele Blasi tested positive for nandrolone after the September 14th game against Perugia.
"Blasi is extremely sad. He was crying last night. He is known to us as a player who doesn't even take aspirins. Let's wait and see what the counter-analysis say, it could all turn out to be a big bubble of soap," said Parma boss Prandelli last night.
Also the team's general manager Patrick Nebiolo came into Blasi's defense.
"Blasi is clean in our opinion. The facts still haven't proven he is guilty," he said.
Blasi risks up to a year suspension if further tests confirm his guilt.
"Blasi is extremely sad. He was crying last night. He is known to us as a player who doesn't even take aspirins. Let's wait and see what the counter-analysis say, it could all turn out to be a big bubble of soap," said Parma boss Prandelli last night.
Also the team's general manager Patrick Nebiolo came into Blasi's defense.
"Blasi is clean in our opinion. The facts still haven't proven he is guilty," he said.
Blasi risks up to a year suspension if further tests confirm his guilt.
Very good Paul !! Sure you werent a body-builder in the past ??!!
19 Norandro is sold legally on the shelves of most health food stores here in the US.
It converts to nandralone once it gets into your liver (as Paul has already explained), but doesnt have the same effects as injectable nandralone (deca)
My point is that he may have taken a nutritional supplement that contained 19 norandro, tested positive for the test, and have gotten NO benefits from this supplement, as compared to just taking Nandralone
That would really suck !!!!!
19 Norandro is sold legally on the shelves of most health food stores here in the US.
It converts to nandralone once it gets into your liver (as Paul has already explained), but doesnt have the same effects as injectable nandralone (deca)
My point is that he may have taken a nutritional supplement that contained 19 norandro, tested positive for the test, and have gotten NO benefits from this supplement, as compared to just taking Nandralone
That would really suck !!!!!
It seems pretty clear to me that the fault for this whole thing lies with the testing procedures. Why do they do tests that show a player as doping if all he did was take anti-biotics. I think that all of those players who tested positive before (including Davids) were the victims of a flawed system.
I'm confused about the doping argoment too...
In this period as many knows in Italy there are a lot of polemics and some players and doctors are always in and out court... but as I know the main problem are EPO and other sostances who cannot be booked with urine tests (the only who players does at the antidoping) and other things (like medicins 4 cardiopatic peaple) who actually are not in the doping lists but used by who do not neaded like healty young sportmen can be very dangerous.
About the "nandrolone" I don't know... like Zizou said looks like sometimes it can be also in food or other thing and anycase is one of the few substances who are always booked in the antidoping (Stam, Davids, Guardiola, ecc... weare all booked 4 this) so sad but true what Parma doctor said: "with all the things who somebody can take without being descovered why a player schould be so stupid to take in porpouse the onlyone who always come out in tests?".
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I don't know if somebody knows but last week here in Italy the TV schowed a huge reportage about doping, interviewing players coaches of all the ages, some of them now sick and others without reveling the identity and also spoke about other sports.
Here is the link to watch at that:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_73_5634,00.html
Just click the play of the real player icon.
Well to look at all the program may be so boring especially 4 who do not understand Italian but in the introduction they schow Juve players (5 of them have been processed 4 "sport fraud" by ordinary justice) while answering to questions in the court and is impressive how they all are like "well... I took that, but I don't know... eh... no I didn't... I have no clue about what it is.... but maybe I took it".
4 who do understand Italian but didn't see it, it is very interesting 4 figuring out something more about doping, cause looks like many old players got sickness and even died due to some medicines they took while playing.
In this period as many knows in Italy there are a lot of polemics and some players and doctors are always in and out court... but as I know the main problem are EPO and other sostances who cannot be booked with urine tests (the only who players does at the antidoping) and other things (like medicins 4 cardiopatic peaple) who actually are not in the doping lists but used by who do not neaded like healty young sportmen can be very dangerous.
About the "nandrolone" I don't know... like Zizou said looks like sometimes it can be also in food or other thing and anycase is one of the few substances who are always booked in the antidoping (Stam, Davids, Guardiola, ecc... weare all booked 4 this) so sad but true what Parma doctor said: "with all the things who somebody can take without being descovered why a player schould be so stupid to take in porpouse the onlyone who always come out in tests?".
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I don't know if somebody knows but last week here in Italy the TV schowed a huge reportage about doping, interviewing players coaches of all the ages, some of them now sick and others without reveling the identity and also spoke about other sports.
Here is the link to watch at that:
http://www.raisport.rai.it/raiSportSezioneIndex/0,5785,_78_73_5634,00.html
Just click the play of the real player icon.
Well to look at all the program may be so boring especially 4 who do not understand Italian but in the introduction they schow Juve players (5 of them have been processed 4 "sport fraud" by ordinary justice) while answering to questions in the court and is impressive how they all are like "well... I took that, but I don't know... eh... no I didn't... I have no clue about what it is.... but maybe I took it".
4 who do understand Italian but didn't see it, it is very interesting 4 figuring out something more about doping, cause looks like many old players got sickness and even died due to some medicines they took while playing.
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Parma not Blasi about hair
Friday, 17 October 2003
Parma have been pulling out all the stops to find out how 21-year-old Blasi came to have such high levels of the banned substance norandrosterone in his blood; and the club have concluded that his great looking hair could be the problem.
"We always run routine tests on our players - blood, urine and even hair," Parma director general Patrick Nebiolo said.
"The check-ups are supervised by our official club doctor Massimo Manara, but at the same time will also rely on third party laboratories."
Because he is worth it, the Tardini-based team have been keen to do all they can to help Blasi clear his name and advised the despondent player to tell the club doctors of absolutely everything he had been in contact with.
Earlier this week, Parma coach Cesare Prandelli came to the defence of the midfielder and told how upset the player was over the allegations.
"He cries and is desperate," he said. "He would never take something, everyone knows he fears medicines!
"It's not the last word. We are waiting for a second analysis."
Most Italian players look like they have just stepped out of a salon every time they take to the pitch, so it could well be that Parma's claims about Blasi's hair lotion are true. :LOL::LOL::LOL:
Norandrosterone is closely associated with the use of nandrolone but when nandrolone is used it usually leaves behind traces of two substances - norandrosterone and noretiocolanolone.
In Blasi's case though, it is only norandrosterone that has appeared in his system, therefore increasing optimism at Parma that he will eventually be cleared.
"Blasi is clean in our opinion. The facts still haven't proven he is guilty," Nebiolo insisted.
PLANETFOOTBALL
Parma not Blasi about hair
Friday, 17 October 2003
Parma have been pulling out all the stops to find out how 21-year-old Blasi came to have such high levels of the banned substance norandrosterone in his blood; and the club have concluded that his great looking hair could be the problem.
"We always run routine tests on our players - blood, urine and even hair," Parma director general Patrick Nebiolo said.
"The check-ups are supervised by our official club doctor Massimo Manara, but at the same time will also rely on third party laboratories."
Because he is worth it, the Tardini-based team have been keen to do all they can to help Blasi clear his name and advised the despondent player to tell the club doctors of absolutely everything he had been in contact with.
Earlier this week, Parma coach Cesare Prandelli came to the defence of the midfielder and told how upset the player was over the allegations.
"He cries and is desperate," he said. "He would never take something, everyone knows he fears medicines!
"It's not the last word. We are waiting for a second analysis."
Most Italian players look like they have just stepped out of a salon every time they take to the pitch, so it could well be that Parma's claims about Blasi's hair lotion are true. :LOL::LOL::LOL:
Norandrosterone is closely associated with the use of nandrolone but when nandrolone is used it usually leaves behind traces of two substances - norandrosterone and noretiocolanolone.
In Blasi's case though, it is only norandrosterone that has appeared in his system, therefore increasing optimism at Parma that he will eventually be cleared.
"Blasi is clean in our opinion. The facts still haven't proven he is guilty," Nebiolo insisted.
Damn you gray, pre-empted
Football Italia:
Parma prepare Blasi defence
Friday 17 October, 2003
Parma midfielder Manuele Blasi could have failed his drug test as a result of a hair lotion that he uses.
The former Under-21 international tested positive for a banned substance after the September 14 match against Perugia which could lead to a lengthy suspension.
However, both his club and the player himself insist that he is innocent and are desperately trying to attain how the high levels of norandrosterone entered his system.
The Tardini outfit have carried out a detailed analysis of everything that the player has been in contact with and believe that his hair lotion may be the cause.
Parma are set to carry out their own tests on the product later today to see whether their theory is correct.
The Serie A outfit have also closely monitored the results of Blasi’s failed sample which has increased optimism within the club.
Blasi was found to have norandrosterone in his system which is closely associated with the use of nandrolone.
However, when nandrolone is used it leaves behind traces of two substances but Blasi’s sample only contains one.
In theory, if Blasi had taken the banned substance then his sample should also contain noretiocolanolone but it doesn’t
Football Italia:
Parma prepare Blasi defence
Friday 17 October, 2003
Parma midfielder Manuele Blasi could have failed his drug test as a result of a hair lotion that he uses.
The former Under-21 international tested positive for a banned substance after the September 14 match against Perugia which could lead to a lengthy suspension.
However, both his club and the player himself insist that he is innocent and are desperately trying to attain how the high levels of norandrosterone entered his system.
The Tardini outfit have carried out a detailed analysis of everything that the player has been in contact with and believe that his hair lotion may be the cause.
Parma are set to carry out their own tests on the product later today to see whether their theory is correct.
The Serie A outfit have also closely monitored the results of Blasi’s failed sample which has increased optimism within the club.
Blasi was found to have norandrosterone in his system which is closely associated with the use of nandrolone.
However, when nandrolone is used it leaves behind traces of two substances but Blasi’s sample only contains one.
In theory, if Blasi had taken the banned substance then his sample should also contain noretiocolanolone but it doesn’t
