Blaise Matuidi - DM - PSG (5 Viewers)

[Osman]

Benassi isnt half the player Matuidi is, come on Salvo, no salves for you today



And their price difference isnt even significant. Benassi who is a more polished turd Sturaro level player, costs around 15m, while Matuidi who is an accomplished international at this level, costs around 20-25m.


I'm not a fan of this signing at all, but dont need to go on hyperbole drive for the heck of it.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

I wouldn't mind Matuidi to be a backup. But a backup... not a top class starter which we BADLY need.

Also, I don't like the idea of Pjanic - Matuidi. I'd rather see Matuidi in a 3 man midfield which we're not going to field.

So, shortly, it just looks like a bad and desperate move.

 

[Kopanja]

I wouldn't mind Matuidi to be a backup. But a backup... not a top class starter which we BADLY need.

Also, I don't like the idea of Pjanic - Matuidi. I'd rather see Matuidi in a 3 man midfield which we're not going to field.

So, shortly, it just looks like a bad and desperate move.

Who is that guy? Top class CDM/CM and on the market.

 

[Sashazulu]

Very meh and underwhelming signing, but totally expected by Marotta and Co. Go for the easiest and cheapest option. You just sold 2 $#@!ing CMs in a matter of days, and that should generate close to 30 million. Surely, you can do better than $#@!ing Matuidi, a guy who isn't even wanted by his team. Yet, you go out there and give PSG a helping hand. 25 million for a 30 year old with an expiring contract

Our midfield still looks short on both numbers and quality, and we will be cruelly exposed in the CL once again, when it really matters.

Spinazolla (who's our player anyway) and Matuidi to end the mercato? I'm not sure if Juventus or Torino level.

Spinazzola is Juve level. He will do great here, I have seen this guy with Atalanta many times and has great qualities. He can play right or left.
In the last year he has improved tremendously. On top of that he want to be here, this is a guy who will give his soul for the team.
He runs up and down just like Alex Sandro. I would play him on the right, he originally started as a RW which the Primavera. He would have no problems on that side.
I find this forum so negative about everything, nothing but complaining. Have a little trust in Agnelli,Marotta and Paratici!!! we won 6 scudetto and were in CL 2 times in 3 years. Last season we lost again Madrid mainly out of tiredness. We mostly played with the same people specially front and midfield the whole year cause our second line is poor and we had no replacements up front. This year we are better of.
Loosing Bonucci is not the end of the world.I heard the complains many times before., even in italian forums. Ibrahimovic is not good he does not score,the only good player in Ajax is Van der Vaart. Who is Pogba? I only played 10 min again Stoke City and so on.
Yes we mis a goor midfielder but who? No great ones are for sale. Nzonzi? what has he done so far Emre Can? Even Goretzka in my book he is more offensive than defensive. Kovacevic? can not defend. We need a great defensive midfieder but who, that is for sale. Do not tell me Kroos
we need a Casemiro. Madrid was not the greatest till Casemiro came and he did not cost much. I would have kept Mandagora.
The only complained I have with Juve is that we are afraid to play young players. Let give Spin azzola, Mandragora, Bentancur a chance the talent is there.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Who is that guy? Top class CDM/CM and on the market.

This part is pure BS.

This ain't a football manager. You won't get a list printed of players that are placed on the market. You ask for players and bid for them.

Matic was/is miles ahead of Matuidi. But even some other players are surely possible if we showed some interest.

I also surely don't think that D.Costa and Bernardeschi were the best options 'on the market'. Same goes for De Sciglio. It's just our options, just like Matuidi is.

Btw, it makes no sense when people say 'Matuidi is a lot cheaper option than x'. Well, no. We're not a cheap club and we shouldn't be looking for cheap options. Our mid position is our most fragile position (meh, now defense doesn't look great either), so if anything we should break the bank for that position and not spend 20mln on a 30yo DM that isn't even suited for our system.

 

[Kopanja]

This part is pure BS.

Matic was/is miles ahead of Matuidi. But even some other players are surely possible if we showed some interest.
Btw, it makes no sense when people say 'Matuidi is a lot cheaper option than x'. Well, no. We're not a cheap club and we shouldn't be looking for cheap options. Our mid position is our most fragile position (meh, now defense doesn't look great either), so if anything we should break the bank for that position and not spend 20mln on a 30yo DM that isn't even suited for our system.

Matic never was or is miles ahead of Matuidi. They are different players on a similiar level, the only thing is Conte for some reason basically replaced Matic with a fucking clown in Bakayoko.
We are not a cheap club, but we are neither mu or psg. You got to spend money, to make money, but 45 mln euro for current version of Matic is just a bad buisiness.
I am against Matuidi, but it looks like our mngmnt and Max see how Matuidi can suit our system.

 

[Salvo]

Come on man, Benassi is a Rincon-level player, he is as average as it gets. Matuidi is no world-beater either, but there is still a helluva gap between them. It's ridiculous.
I am not event talking about what either of them bring to the table, Benassi is basically Mont Olivo light, while Matuidi is a dumb as a rock, but runs like madman and covers a lot of ground. Hell, I would've chosen Baselli before Benassi, at least he has some dog in him.

Benassi isnt half the player Matuidi is, come on Salvo, no salves for you today



And their price difference isnt even significant. Benassi who is a more polished turd Sturaro level player, costs around 15m, while Matuidi who is an accomplished international at this level, costs around 20-25m.


I'm not a fan of this signing at all, but dont need to go on hyperbole drive for the heck of it.

I wouldn't mind Matuidi to be a backup. But a backup... not a top class starter which we BADLY need.

Also, I don't like the idea of Pjanic - Matuidi. I'd rather see Matuidi in a 3 man midfield which we're not going to field.

So, shortly, it just looks like a bad and desperate move.

He has no place in a 2 man midfield. If he comes i hope I am proven wrong

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[Osman]

Who is that guy? Top class CDM/CM and on the market.

N'zonzi.

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[Dostoevsky]

Matic never was or is miles ahead of Matuidi. They are different players on a similiar level, the only thing is Conte for some reason basically replaced Matic with a fucking clown in Bakayoko.
We are not a cheap club, but we are neither mu or psg. You got to spend money, to make money, but 45 mln euro for current version of Matic is just a bad buisiness.
I am against Matuidi, but it looks like our mngmnt and Max see how Matuidi can suit our system.

Matic had seasons when he was one of the best players on that position and made it in the best team of the year in EPL. Matuidi would NEVER achieve anything like that.

 

[Boksic]

This part is pure BS.

This ain't a football manager. You won't get a list printed of players that are placed on the market. You ask for players and bid for them.

Matic was/is miles ahead of Matuidi. But even some other players are surely possible if we showed some interest.

I also surely don't think that D.Costa and Bernardeschi were the best options 'on the market'. Same goes for De Sciglio. It's just our options, just like Matuidi is.

Btw, it makes no sense when people say 'Matuidi is a lot cheaper option than x'. Well, no. We're not a cheap club and we shouldn't be looking for cheap options. Our mid position is our most fragile position (meh, now defense doesn't look great either), so if anything we should break the bank for that position and not spend 20mln on a 30yo DM that isn't even suited for our system.

Benassi isnt half the player Matuidi is, come on Salvo, no salves for you today



And their price difference isnt even significant. Benassi who is a more polished turd Sturaro level player, costs around 15m, while Matuidi who is an accomplished international at this level, costs around 20-25m.


I'm not a fan of this signing at all, but dont need to go on hyperbole drive for the heck of it.

Of course Matuidi is a better player than Benassi.

But when you factor in that Matuidi is 20-25m, on high wages, 30 y.o., very likely to be sold at a loss, not suited to our system of 2 midfielders, you can see why someone would prefer a young player, relatively inexpensive, can play in a midfield 2, low wages, likely to improve in ability and likely to still be sellable in a few years time if it doesn't work out.

I'm not for signing either player but I think the point Salvo is making is that there are more factors to consider than both player's ability today.

 

[Cerval]

you know we can't sign Fabinho. right?

Yes, however I think a CM was a priority ahead of Costa

 

[Dostoevsky]

N'zonzi.

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Strootman is a different player but I'd easily buy him ahead of Matuidi. If not for injuries he'd be one of our best players here.

 

[Kopanja]

N'zonzi.

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I agree with that. I'd pick Nzonzi before Matuidi, only because I can see how he can fit in our system. I was arguing about "top class starter" though. If NZonzi is a top class, than Matuidi is top class also in my book. They are different kind of CMs, but one can make the case for Matuidi being even more proven on a "top class"-level than NZonzi.

 

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[Kopanja]

Matic had seasons when he was one of the best players on that position and made it in the best team of the year in EPL. Matuidi would NEVER achieve anything like that.

Yeah, sure. And Buffon will never become the best gk in mighty EPL, simply because he won't play there.
Matic has exaclty one season when he was a beast, couple of years ago. He was terrible next year, and so dominant last year that got him replaced by Bakayoko.
Matic of the EPL team of the year is long gone.

EDIT: Matic of course was a beast even before Chelsea, but we are talking about EPL here.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Yeah, sure. And Buffon will never become the best gk in mighty EPL, simply because he won't play there.
Matic has exaclty one season when he was a beast, couple of years ago. He was terrible next year, and so dominant last year that got him replaced by Bakayoko.
Matic of the EPL team of the year is long gone.

EDIT: Matic of course was a beast even before Chelsea, but we are talking about EPL here.

Exactly. Matic was a beast before Chelsea and some time during Chelsea. Matuidi, however, was never a beast.

And no, Buffon is one of the best GKs ever. He'd be great everywhere. Matuidi is just... Matuidi. 30yo DM from PSG that never impressed enough. I'd easily take N'Zonzi ahead of him too.

 

[Salvo]

Of course Matuidi is a better player than Benassi.

But when you factor in that Matuidi is 20-25m, on high wages, 30 y.o., very likely to be sold at a loss, not suited to our system of 2 midfielders, you can see why someone would prefer a young player, relatively inexpensive, can play in a midfield 2, low wages, likely to improve in ability and likely to still be sellable in a few years time if it doesn't work out.

I'm not for signing either player but I think the point Salvo is making is that there are more factors to consider than both player's ability today.

Bravo!

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[Kopanja]

Exactly. Matic was a beast before Chelsea and some time during Chelsea. Matuidi, however, was never a beast.

And no, Buffon is one of the best GKs ever. He'd be great everywhere. Matuidi is just... Matuidi. 30yo DM from PSG that never impressed enough. I'd easily take N'Zonzi ahead of him too.

Of course, Buffon would be great everywhere. It's just using hypothetical EPL team of the year is a little stretch.
But last two years Matic was really nothing to write home about.
I would easily pick NZonzi over Matuidi, without second thoughts. But if NZonzi is a "top class" than Matuidi is "top class", simple as that.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I would easily pick NZonzi over Matuidi, without second thoughts. But if NZonzi is a "top class" than Matuidi is "top class", simple as that.

If you easily pick N'Zonzi, as you would, without second thought, then Matuidi is not a top class as he's clearly the worse option.

I was just naming Matic for the sake of it and because he switched the club. But like I said, plenty of players would be available had we asked for them.

If Matuidi is our best shot then it says everything about the club imo.

 

[Kopanja]

If you easily pick N'Zonzi, as you would, without second thought, then Matuidi is not a top class as he's clearly the worse option.

Yeah, in my book NZonzi fits our system better. But I am no Paratici and Max. I would even pick Strootman and Kondogbia (lol, I know it's retarded, but he was great in Monaco). But none of them is top class player imo, slightly below this level.

If Matuidi is our best shot then it says everything about the club imo.

Lol @ this. Sorry man, but you've been too dramatic. We've been in 2 CL finals for the last three years. And while we a clearly losing one centerpiece in 2018 I don't see no reason why or how our trend of improving as an organization is gonna change. Look at the big picture sometimes, we are back in conversation for good, it's not a fluke.