Best city in the world to live in? (15 Viewers)
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God, I hate it when I have to explain such easy reasonings, but here I go:
You said any place in which you'd be free would be just fine. So I said: go and be free in Siberia. Let's analyse this phrase. I think I'm saying that, even if you would be free in Siberia, it would be a pretty hostile environment. I think I'm saying that, even if you would be free, life there might not be all that perfect.
Did you get it the second time?
Maybe i am Cristian but this doesn't that i will never judge my religion. How did Greek and Italians became Christians? Did this happened from one day to another? Do you know that the people who brought the Christianity in Greece (The Byzantines) were destroying the ancient Greek monuments (like Delphi), they were burning books and they were killing philosophers and scientists and any thinking man. Is this the love and peace of which Christianity speaks?
For me FREEDOM is the freedom of ideas, the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression and to have all the people the same freedom wherever in the world. You may believe in laws and orders, and it is your right to do, but these are not equal for all the people.
For me FREEDOM is the freedom of ideas, the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression and to have all the people the same freedom wherever in the world. You may believe in laws and orders, and it is your right to do, but these are not equal for all the people.
Oh, for the love of God, did you STILL miss the point? I mean, I was explaining it as if I was talking to a three year old FFS. It's not about no fucking freedom. Being in Siberia sucks, whether you're free or not. And I never even said anything about law and order. You freak.
The Byzantines didn't bring christianity in Greece. The Romans did. Want to know the difference? Grab a book for once.
The Byzantines didn't bring christianity in Greece. The Romans did. Want to know the difference? Grab a book for once.
If you talk for Siberia, then yes the whether and the life there is not worth living. When i spoke for freedom i wanted to explain my first post here.
Now you are the one who don't get the point, and wants to disorientate the discussion. My point is not the variance of Eastern and western Roman Empire that in fact were the same think, but the effects that this empire had to the Ancient Greek civilization. Sure and Greeks had great role in the Roman empire but before that one great recivilization had destroyed that for me was greater than the Roman.
Now you are the one who don't get the point, and wants to disorientate the discussion. My point is not the variance of Eastern and western Roman Empire that in fact were the same think, but the effects that this empire had to the Ancient Greek civilization. Sure and Greeks had great role in the Roman empire but before that one great recivilization had destroyed that for me was greater than the Roman.
So it's not just freedom that counts. Look, we know you're not bright, but I'll try to explain anyway. Religions tend to burn stuff. Romans burnt christians and then turned christians themselves. Religion also tends to evolve you see. One of these evolutions in christian religion was the fact many tried to find a healthy relationship between the wisdom of philosophers and the dogma of the Bible. Quite clearly medieval christianity did not prosecute philosophers. And for what it's worth, they even sponsored scientists in many cases.
I don't know what you're blabbing about with Greek and recivilisation and stuff.
I don't know what you're blabbing about with Greek and recivilisation and stuff.
I know that very well. And Muslims made crimes against the Persian civilization and they destroyed many monuments In Egypt and Iraq. This is for what i am against.
The truth is that Christianity developed and extended with philosophic methods but the way the people attached their existence and their thinking in Bible was not related with the mental inquiry of the questions for the relation of the Human with his world and his position in it, the way that philosophy includes.
The same think stands and for Islam. You can't say that one fundamentalist Muslim who base his life and his existence in quaran apply the methods of philosophy.
P.S. The way you are talking reminds me Julio César.
The truth is that Christianity developed and extended with philosophic methods but the way the people attached their existence and their thinking in Bible was not related with the mental inquiry of the questions for the relation of the Human with his world and his position in it, the way that philosophy includes.
The same think stands and for Islam. You can't say that one fundamentalist Muslim who base his life and his existence in quaran apply the methods of philosophy.
P.S. The way you are talking reminds me Julio César.
Again you're not making any sense and I think you might be forgetting about your original point. You set out to demonstrate that in Islam, unlike the situation with christianity, philosophers were respected. What I think you did just now (because as I said, your phrases are very open to interpretation), is demonstrate me how this is NOT the case.
I don't have problem with any religion and i wasn't set out to demonstrate anything to anywhere. I just believe in the dissociation of philosophy and religion. if philosophers were respected in Christianity then why the Emperor Claudius Julianus - who admired philosophers and classics - was named "the Apostate"?
Anyway I want this discussion to end because this thread is for other reason.
Anyway I want this discussion to end because this thread is for other reason.