Beckham is not a footballer: Pele (16 Viewers)

[mate]

If he really intended that DB can't play soccer, yes he's an idiot, but I don't think that's what he wanted to say. Maybe he just wanted to point that he do not like the way he is commercialized outside the fiel.
Anycase I think it's better if he does his own business.

 

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[Ian]

You're all taking it out of context. Pele is not suggesting that Beckham can not play football, that's just ridiculous. What he is saying is that Beckham gone beyond being a footballer and he is a pop-idol. Pele thinks that this elevation of status is not a good thing, especially because Bekcham is not the best player in the world...

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
You're all taking it out of context. Pele is not suggesting that Beckham can not play football, that's just ridiculous. What he is saying is that Beckham gone beyond being a footballer and he is a pop-idol. Pele thinks that this elevation of status is not a good thing, especially because Bekcham is not the best player in the world...

True.

After all, what pele said is not so far from the reality.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
You're all taking it out of context. Pele is not suggesting that Beckham can not play football, that's just ridiculous. What he is saying is that Beckham gone beyond being a footballer and he is a pop-idol. Pele thinks that this elevation of status is not a good thing, especially because Bekcham is not the best player in the world...

Out of context?
I don't think so.
I said, that as long as his out-of-pitch image doesnt affect his play on the pitch, I dont care about all that hype.
And actually: his on and out the pitch performances have nothing to do with each other, so why Pele mixes them? All so called hype around Becks out of pitch, doesnt make them worse footballer.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++
Out of context?
I don't think so.
I said, that as long as his out-of-pitch image doesnt affect his play on the pitch, I dont care about all that hype.
And actually: his on and out the pitch performances have nothing to do with each other, so why Pele mixes them? All so called hype around Becks out of pitch, doesnt make them worse footballer.

See, there you go again, you've missed what I'm saying. Pele's not saying that Beckham is a worse footballer for being so popular, he's saying that it's not good for the game or for other players to have a cult of personality around a player who is surely great, but not the greatest in the world, nor on his team, nor of his generation, nor in his positon...

 

[K10]

What I picked up from what Pele said was plain and simple. He never said that Beckham can't play football. He just says that he is more loved as a pop idol rather than a footballer and this is not good and that the cause of this is Victoria which I do agree.

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by K10 ] ++
What I picked up from what Pele said was plain and simple. He never said that Beckham can't play football. He just says that he is more loved as a pop idol rather than a footballer and this is not good and that the cause of this is Victoria which I do agree.

Yeap.

I was a little worried when he leaved manchester, because he was the team idol, and more than his good crosses, was his good free kick shot that was his strong point. Now it seems that ryan giggs could do the same and maybe better in the free kicks.

 

[Nedved11]

pele dosnt make any points in his statements, and neither do some of you.

why does Pele care if Beckham is marketted even though he's not the greatest soccer player of all. Would you like to see Zidane or Ronaldo on the cover of GQ magazines? im sure girls will love that...

if he's not saying anything about his skills of football, why make a pointless statement saying he's not good for the game b/c he's marketted? thats the biggest joke ever b/c the only thing Beckham is doing right now is MAKING SOCCER EVEN MORE popular....shouldnt Pele be happy? mainly why soccer got so big in the past couple of months in North America is due to David Beckham and ONLY he could do it because he has the traights to capture the attention of north americans. Ronaldo, Zidane, Del Piero, Giggs or whoever wouldnt be able to pull it off.

Pele makes no sense whatsoever...b/c the only thing Beckham is doing is making soccer popular...so when people follow soccer, they'll know Beckham is an image, and Zidane/Del Piero/Ronaldo/Carlos are the greats of the game...

here is another thing....i want you guys to tell me how many of you would watch Tennis if it wasnt for Anna Kournikova....she's not the greatest tennis player of all is she? nope not even close, but she had the traights to capture the attention of MANY fans around the world, and its b/c of her many follow Tennis and have grown to love it...hey i followed tennis b/c of her, i'll admit it right now!!

so Pele was probably high when he made that statement .... he should go back to predicting cameroons next world cup win.

 

[Jun-hide]

I think Pele has a point. Beck is a great player, for his position.. There aren't many in the world that can cross, shoot, and hit long ball cross field pass like him. Nevertheless, I am sure or I hope that Pele's comment to some degree dent Beck's reputation. Good player yes, but top 10player or even the best player in the world, no way that is possible. They are many player with better ability than Beck, i.e. Nesta or Buffon but does not warrant such hype because they do not satisfy Nike's, Adidas, media's star marketing potential.

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by K10 ] ++
The legendary Brazilian player Pele has said that according to him, English star David Beckham is not a real football player, and it is not hard to see who is to blame for it.

Pele states that Beckham, recently moved from Manchester United to Real Madrid, is more of a pop idol that a footballer and he says that this is not a good thing.

The Brazilian's opinion is that the cause of this is the marriage of the player with former Spice Girl Victoria, but that the fans are also responsible as they seem to prefer to see a star, and not a sportsman.

Soccer Way

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Bright guy there, Pele.

that's called revenge in my eyers......
revenge of an anti-beckham fan..........:fero::devil::devil::devil:

 

[Ivy]

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
You're all taking it out of context. Pele is not suggesting that Beckham can not play football, that's just ridiculous. What he is saying is that Beckham gone beyond being a footballer and he is a pop-idol. Pele thinks that this elevation of status is not a good thing, especially because Bekcham is not the best player in the world...

I understand what u r trying to explain but this is what i understand from the article.

Look @ what Pele is saying......

Beckham is not a footballer: Pele
The legendary Brazilian player Pele has said that according to him, English star David Beckham is not a real football player, and it is not hard to see who is to blame for it.

This is the portion that i feel is wrong....to say that Beck's is not a real football player. He is a very gd 1.

Pele states that Beckham, recently moved from Manchester United to Real Madrid, is more of a pop idol that a footballer and he says that this is not a good thing.

The Brazilian's opinion is that the cause of this is the marriage of the player with former Spice Girl Victoria, but that the fans are also responsible as they seem to prefer to see a star, and not a sportsman.

This paragragh on the other hand is like what Rickenbacker2 says. Here Pele is talking abt the Pop-idol status of Becks not being a gd thing.


@Nedved 11: No offence but my opinion differs from yours. Yes Becks marketability is making him the biggest advert for football @ this time. Football gained popularity in US and Asia b cos of him. So this increase in awarness and the $ earned from marketing Becks is the advantage. This is the gd part.

But if he is what the world sees and likes. Would it mean that in the future clubs would want to get players who r gd looking to make their club popular rather than buy the really talented ones? There r 2 ways to make $, by winning throphies and by great marketing and merchandising. Would it mean that a player with gd skill and fantastic looks would be more sought after and highly paid than a player with superb talent? I dunno.... but if it is this surely can't be gd for the game.

What i mean is, @ the moment Beck's is doing a gd thing by raising awarness of the game but in the long run?

 

[Ivy]

++ [ originally posted by lilianna ] ++


that's called revenge in my eyers......
revenge of an anti-beckham fan..........:fero::devil::devil::devil:

U r not a Man U fan Lilianna?

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++


See, there you go again, you've missed what I'm saying. Pele's not saying that Beckham is a worse footballer for being so popular, he's saying that it's not good for the game or for other players to have a cult of personality around a player who is surely great, but not the greatest in the world, nor on his team, nor of his generation, nor in his positon...

And you've missed what I'm saying.

I didnt say that Pele said, that Becks is worse player cause he is so popular. Actually it was my statemant. Cause I dont see, what cult of personality has to do with him as player and his play. And I also dont think, that this cult is not good for the game and other players.
Specially that people rather laugh at him and his looks and blame for everything Victoria.

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by Sunshine ] ++


U r not a Man U fan Lilianna?

well,
i am not!!!

but i am not becks fan either!!!

 

[Primo]

Good thread, I sometimes get the feeling that Beckham is more of a celebrity than a footballer. But we I have to admit, he still is exceptional with freekicks and crosses.

 

[Nedved11]

++ [ originally posted by Sunshine ] ++
@Nedved 11: No offence but my opinion differs from yours. Yes Becks marketability is making him the biggest advert for football @ this time. Football gained popularity in US and Asia b cos of him. So this increase in awarness and the $ earned from marketing Becks is the advantage. This is the gd part.

But if he is what the world sees and likes. Would it mean that in the future clubs would want to get players who r gd looking to make their club popular rather than buy the really talented ones? There r 2 ways to make $, by winning throphies and by great marketing and merchandising. Would it mean that a player with gd skill and fantastic looks would be more sought after and highly paid than a player with superb talent? I dunno.... but if it is this surely can't be gd for the game.

What i mean is, @ the moment Beck's is doing a gd thing by raising awarness of the game but in the long run?

thats a good point if Beckham was a third class footballer with only marketting fame. But he's not, many people consider him one of the best midfielders. Everyone here seems to agree that his free kicks, crosses and passes are deadly....well, he's not a striker nor is he a defender. what more do you want from David Beckham? the only area which he's not amazing is having ball control like someone in the stature of Zidane. Beckham is not an average player, he's more then a player due to his fame. Thats why he was wanted by Totti when he made the list to Roma in the players he wanted, thats why Milan wanted him, thats why MANY teams were gunning for him.

the point im making is, beckham has skill and fame. and i dont think there is a team stupid enough to buy a player just for his fame and not his talent. every soccer team has one goal....WIN. Not to make profits off player merchandise.

Would it mean that a player with gd skill and fantastic looks would be more sought after and highly paid than a player with superb talent?

that would depend on the direction of the team. for someone like Real Madrid, they would rather have Beckham then someone with a little more talent because lets face it, when you have Zidane, Ronaldo, Carlos...what more do you need, the talent is already there. But for someone like Fiorentina who lets say just came up in Serie A finally...and are looking to improve, they wouldnt even think twice about getting Beckham or say Davids. they would automatically get Davids.

In the short run like you said, its good for the game.
In the long run, it will be good for the game as well. it dosnt matter if there are gonna be players who have GQ magazine status or not, but it does help. teams just want to win.

 

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by Primo ] ++
Good thread, I sometimes get the feeling that Beckham is more of a celebrity than a footballer. But we I have to admit, he still is exceptional with freekicks and crosses.

i agree with you primo.

becks is a celebrity.
a holywood person.
like brad pit and even more famous.

he is like an actor but yes,
he is a great footfaler but not better than others like ronaldo,
r.carlos,raul,del piero,nedved, or....who else???

he is just more famous.

 

[Hydde]

Thst the word,, just more famous.

 

[Dragon]

The beckhams will be on american Vogue next year i think and i can guarantee the article doesnt even mention the word football more than five times

 

[Ivy]

@Nedvel 11: No offence again, i agree with all u said except i hv different view abt the "every soccer team has one goal....WIN. " part. Actually i think there r some in which $ is a priority. No point if yr team wins but u r still cash strapped. There r many clubs that sell their stars for $. Imagine if Parma diddn't sell their Buffon, Thuram, Di Viao and Mutu...... they could hv won something maybe?, but i bet they r a whole lot richer now? I dunno....

anyway, that wasn't abt the Beck's topic so nevermind

@lilianna: No offence to u also if u r not a Man u surpporter but all along i thought that's what the litte red devil in yr avatar meant