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[AFL_ITALIA]

They won't qualify again.

Can beat Spain with a lineup consisting of Pelle, Eder, and Giaccherini but won't qualify for an expanded World Cup.

Ok.

 

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[Bianconero_Aus]

Someone needs to put immense pressure on Tavecchio to force a resignation
They need to protest.

Tavecchio looks like Attorney-General George Brandis

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Sky is saying that he will be sacked. Imagine failing at your job and getting a multi million euro payout as a result of being terminated early

That's why I've always said the England job is ludacrusly over paid both at succeeding and failing

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20 team spirit not when the players are literally trying to tell the manager who to pick

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Someone needs to put immense pressure on Tavecchio to force a resignation
They need to protest.

Is there nobody ie through popular demand ask for a snap election?

 

[Seven]

Lol why blame Ventura of course he will take the best deal he can get the ones to blame are those him offered him such a deal

It works that way in regular business, it tends to be different in football. Part of that is that these guys are all millionaires. I can't imagine Ventura actually needing the money. But, perhaps more important, waiting to get fired and not resigning usually also means less job opportunities in the future. In Ventura's case that last part won't matter, because his career is dead and buried. Anyone can fail as a NT manager, but not as spectacularly as Ventura. I'm pretty confident that his last two line ups mean his coaching days are over.

Which is why I think he's going for one final payday.

 

[pitbull]

It works that way in regular business, it tends to be different in football. Part of that is that these guys are all millionaires. I can't imagine Ventura actually needing the money. But, perhaps more important, waiting to get fired and not resigning usually also means less job opportunities in the future. In Ventura's case that last part won't matter, because his career is dead and buried. Anyone can fail as a NT manager, but not as spectacularly as Ventura. I'm pretty confident that his last two line ups mean his coaching days are over.

Which is why I think he's going for one final payday.

dunno. Steve McLaren failed as similarly with England when he couldn't get them to Euro2008, but he's still in the business. And he didn't exactly redeem himself afterwards, he had a great season at Twente where he won Eredivisie, but the rest of it seems like one disaster after another. there're a lot of football clubs in the world, I'm sure Ventura will get a coaching job if not in Italy then abroad if he wants to

 

[Seven]

dunno. Steve McLaren failed as similarly with England when he couldn't get them to Euro2008, but he's still in the business

That's not really similar. A lot of coaches have failed with their NT's. Think of Van Gaal for example. He did well in 2014, but failed to qualify for the 2002 World Cup. Ventura is different though, because his tactics were completely inexplicable. They made him look like a demented old fool. His behaviour after the elimination made him look even worse. And his popularity is 0 right now.

 

[pitbull]

That's not really similar. A lot of coaches have failed with their NT's. Think of Van Gaal for example. He did well in 2014, but failed to qualify for the 2002 World Cup. Ventura is different though, because his tactics were completely inexplicable. They made him look like a demented old fool. His behaviour after the elimination made him look even worse. And his popularity is 0 right now.

how is that different to the umbrella man? the guy started a lot of players who later on basically never played for England again like Scott Carson, Wayne Bridge, Micah Richards, Joe Cole, Shawn Wright Phillips.. and had some other questionable choices like Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves, Sol Campbell, Darren Bent and Peter Crouch. If anything, he was worse than Ventura, who at least called up a competitive squad

 

[Badass J Elkann]

dunno. Steve McLaren failed as similarly with England when he couldn't get them to Euro2008, but he's still in the business. And he didn't exactly redeem himself afterwards, he had a great season at Twente where he won Eredivisie, but the rest of it seems like one disaster after another. there're a lot of football clubs in the world, I'm sure Ventura will get a coaching job if not in Italy then abroad if he wants to

But McLaren was not 70 when he failed with england.

 

[pitbull]

But McLaren was not 70 when he failed with england.

well yeah. Ventura's career might be over cause he's 70, but I doubt he couldn't find another job if he wanted to

 

[Seven]

well yeah. Ventura's career might be over cause he's 70, but I doubt he couldn't find another job if he wanted to

When? Everyone hates him now. It takes time to let the dust settle. He's going to coach again when he's 75?

 

[Stephan]

In terms of the money situation. Ventura only just got married like last year. Yes hard to believe maybe but that did happen and he needs that money for his trophywife.
Secondly he will most likely not get another football job. At least not in Italy. Prandelli hasnt managed in Italy since 2014 exit for example. And his tenure ended in disgrace but he also made some silly comments right at the end. Almost not taking the responsibility of the group exit and he had some players gang up towards blaming Balotelli for that 2014 disaster.

In the end the people who hired Ventura should take the responsibility. So im with Tommasi here. Tavecchio should go.

 

[Valerio.]

It works that way in regular business, it tends to be different in football. Part of that is that these guys are all millionaires. I can't imagine Ventura actually needing the money. But, perhaps more important, waiting to get fired and not resigning usually also means less job opportunities in the future. In Ventura's case that last part won't matter, because his career is dead and buried. Anyone can fail as a NT manager, but not as spectacularly as Ventura. I'm pretty confident that his last two line ups mean his coaching days are over.

Which is why I think he's going for one final payday.

Dude Ventura's biggest team that he managed was Torino. He spent his life in Serie B or even lower I doubt he is a millionaires. So those 866.000€ may be worth what he got in all his coaching life.

 

[pitbull]

When? Everyone hates him now. It takes time to let the dust settle. He's going to coach again when he's 75?

nah, he can still land a job in the less competitive leagues like Dutch or Portugese or if he wants to do it for decent money more likely China or Russia. every Italian might hate him, but his CV is still good enough to guarantee him a 2nd rate gig in a different country

 

[Tak!]

Clowns usually don't earn a lot of money. But these people in the federation does. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Seven]

Dude Ventura's biggest team that he managed was Torino. He spent his life in Serie B or even lower I doubt he is a millionaires. So those 866.000€ may be worth what he got in all his coaching life.

He has been coaching for a very long time. Ventura has definitely made over 2m in his lifetime. But it doesn't really matter, because I was arguing why Ventura in particular would go for the money and someone else wouldn't.

 

[rakib567]

Italy need to restart. They need to say goodbye to the players that have achieved it all and give a push to the young talent.

GK situation is pretty good. Donarrumma will be Buffon's heir and Perin is a good backup. Sportiello is solid GK but Meret seems like he has potential.

CB options are Rugani, Caldara and Romagnoli, so we definatly need more youth coming through in this section. Bonucci and Chiellini might have something in them but they are both in the decline.

FB: Both flanks are full of average players. No world class fullbacks since most top serie A team uses forein FBs. Maybe Spinazzola, Zappacosta, Emerson, Contihave good futures but we'll see.

CM: Veratti is the reference point. Jorginho, Gagliardini, Florenzi are good and there is talent coming through such as Pellegrini, Locatelli, mandragora, Berella. But compare this to what spain have for example and it's laughable.


Wingers: Insigne, Bernardeschi, Elsharawy, Chiesa, Berardi, Bonaventura. Good players but other than insigne not world class. Maybe bernardeschi will turn WC. Overall poor compared to other nations.


CF: Belotti,Immobile, Gabbiadini, Zaza. Average at most. Belotti seems like a immobile V2. Future lies on the likes of Pellegri and Kean.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

well yeah. Ventura's career might be over cause he's 70, but I doubt he couldn't find another job if he wanted to

He is practically unemployable unless he wants to look to manage a Sunday league pub team which still is a reach too far given his incompetence

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Italy need to restart. They need to say goodbye to the players that have achieved it all and give a push to the young talent.

GK situation is pretty good. Donarrumma will be Buffon's heir and Perin is a good backup. Sportiello is solid GK but Meret seems like he has potential.

CB options are Rugani, Caldara and Romagnoli, so we definatly need more youth coming through in this section. Bonucci and Chiellini might have something in them but they are both in the decline.

FB: Both flanks are full of average players. No world class fullbacks since most top serie A team uses forein FBs. Maybe Spinazzola, Zappacosta, Emerson, Contihave good futures but we'll see.

CM: Veratti is the reference point. Jorginho, Gagliardini, Florenzi are good and there is talent coming through such as Pellegrini, Locatelli, mandragora, Berella. But compare this to what spain have for example and it's laughable.


Wingers: Insigne, Bernardeschi, Elsharawy, Chiesa, Berardi, Bonaventura. Good players but other than insigne not world class. Maybe bernardeschi will turn WC. Overall poor compared to other nations.


CF: Belotti,Immobile, Gabbiadini, Zaza. Average at most. Belotti seems like a immobile V2. Future lies on the likes of Pellegri and Kean.

Chiellini already retired from international

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nah, he can still land a job in the less competitive leagues like Dutch or Portugese or if he wants to do it for decent money more likely China or Russia. every Italian might hate him, but his CV is still good enough to guarantee him a 2nd rate gig in a different country

I can't imagine a Dutch team wanting to take on his pre historic 4-2-4 formation given their footballing identity

He'd fit right in Russia or China... In one of their slave camps

 

[rakib567]

He is practically unemployable unless he wants to look to manage a Sunday league pub team which still is a reach too far given his incompetence

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Chiellini already retired from international


He'd fit right in Russia or China... In one of their slave camps

 

[X Æ A-12]

Good one less player to get injured for what really counts. Club football

 

[Valerio.]

Sadly nothing will change unless Tavecchio and some other heads get cut from FIGC board and until lower leagues hold much more power than Serie A.
I mean Serie A makes the income but has no voting power to change anything