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Italy playd a fantastic tournament untill today, i think it went wrong for a few reasons
4-4-2 and 3-5-2 are very good as two standard formations
3-5-2 is good against for example spain, you take away their space on the midfield, and keep the playfield wide when i possession. i personally think they did awesome in the groupgame, and spain had absolutely no idea how to get past it. having one of the 3 defenders with excellent passing is also a big plus
4-4-2 is good against any formation that uses forwards, and doesnt play excellent on a to small space, basically any team that isnt spain. especially germany's 4-2-3-1 was excellently disposed off, as the backs track the wide attacking midfielders and the centrebacks mark the striker, keeping a diamond to mess up the opponents passing routes. such excellent game
however, against spain, there isnt a striker, so with a 4-4-2 they just pass the ball all the way towards your 16meter zone because you are completely outnumbered, and since they dont really use a wide formation, the fullbacks are not used that often. furthermore when playing a regista, he is locked bewteen 6 midfielders, so hard to reach.
Italy should have used the 3-5-2 again
buffon in goal
bonucci barzagli and de rossi in defence. de rossi might seem a bad choise, but pirlo is getting marked in 6 players, so he can build up from the back
pepe, nocerino,pirlo,marchisio and balzaretti in the midfield. nocerino and marchisio would protect pirlo and kill the spanish passing game, whilst balzaretti and pepe are the best remaining defensive wingers, who could lock up silva and iniesta in defence, and crush forward in possession
balotelli and cassano in the attack. they are the best two we got, and with all dat workrate in the midfield, and the wide play they'd getting a lot of space. they had bad games in the 4-4-2 in the final because they werent supported, and how does one reach them by air when u got excellent spanish centrebacks in the air and positionning ?
sorry prandelli, but you should have sticked back 3-5-2
4-4-2 and 3-5-2 are very good as two standard formations
3-5-2 is good against for example spain, you take away their space on the midfield, and keep the playfield wide when i possession. i personally think they did awesome in the groupgame, and spain had absolutely no idea how to get past it. having one of the 3 defenders with excellent passing is also a big plus
4-4-2 is good against any formation that uses forwards, and doesnt play excellent on a to small space, basically any team that isnt spain. especially germany's 4-2-3-1 was excellently disposed off, as the backs track the wide attacking midfielders and the centrebacks mark the striker, keeping a diamond to mess up the opponents passing routes. such excellent game
however, against spain, there isnt a striker, so with a 4-4-2 they just pass the ball all the way towards your 16meter zone because you are completely outnumbered, and since they dont really use a wide formation, the fullbacks are not used that often. furthermore when playing a regista, he is locked bewteen 6 midfielders, so hard to reach.
Italy should have used the 3-5-2 again
buffon in goal
bonucci barzagli and de rossi in defence. de rossi might seem a bad choise, but pirlo is getting marked in 6 players, so he can build up from the back
pepe, nocerino,pirlo,marchisio and balzaretti in the midfield. nocerino and marchisio would protect pirlo and kill the spanish passing game, whilst balzaretti and pepe are the best remaining defensive wingers, who could lock up silva and iniesta in defence, and crush forward in possession
balotelli and cassano in the attack. they are the best two we got, and with all dat workrate in the midfield, and the wide play they'd getting a lot of space. they had bad games in the 4-4-2 in the final because they werent supported, and how does one reach them by air when u got excellent spanish centrebacks in the air and positionning ?
sorry prandelli, but you should have sticked back 3-5-2
Barza was terrible; him and Bonnucci were getting torn to pieces/shreds out there. I can't blame them though. Fatigue was a major factor tonight, and Prandelli got it all wrong from the get-go. There was no point in starting with an adventurous formation and attempting to impose your game plan on Spain. Italy should've stuck to the 3-5-2 which served them so well in the opening fixture. Prandelli went with heart over mind, rewarding the players who he felt should be there, but didn't necessarily deserve to start. I wouldn't have started with Chiellini (2 matches in 3 days after being rushed back from a thigh strain! Are you fucking kidding me), or Abate. 3-5-2, with Maggio and Balzaretti was the way to go, particularly as Maggio was fresh and rested, having being suspended for the semi.
It definitely wasn't Italy's night, from the injury to Chiellini, to two very soft goals conceded, to the rushed subs, to Motta only lasting 5 minutes and leaving Italy down to 10 men for the best part of half an hour. Spain were definitely superior, but 4-0 is too flattering.
It definitely wasn't Italy's night, from the injury to Chiellini, to two very soft goals conceded, to the rushed subs, to Motta only lasting 5 minutes and leaving Italy down to 10 men for the best part of half an hour. Spain were definitely superior, but 4-0 is too flattering.
the was lost due to chiellini's weakness/mistake that lead to 1st goal... and italy came to the game with the wrong approach & mentality.
It's called same shit, different day!Against Spain or Barcelona. If you are to beat them you have to flood the midfield, play 3/6/1 with speedy wingers who will put wide pressure on their defense, a regista like pirlo and 2 midfielders who are quick and good passers. If you play 4/3/3 or 4/3/1/2 forget it it ain't gonna work. They always will have a numbers advantage and will play their game to the death. You need to take that numbers advantage away and that will kill off their passing game. You could pay 4/3/1/2 and put pele and maradona up front, they will never see the ball. YOU MUST TAKE THEIR NUMBER ADVANTAGE AWAY WHY CAN'T ANY COACH SEE THIS..? Only Morihno had the brain to do it in the CL with inter a few years back but to this date no one has done so. This loss is 75% prandelli's fault .
The tournament ended in the worst way possible as far as Juventus is concerned - mentally and physically exhausted players, bad morale and injury to Chiellini, and they will also have to play in the Confederations Cup next summer as well. This is bullshit.
Hopefully they will be ready for Super Coppa, a win vs Napoli would makes us forget everything, and guarantee a good morale for the season start.
PS the scheduling (traveling back and forth) didn't help.
Hopefully they will be ready for Super Coppa, a win vs Napoli would makes us forget everything, and guarantee a good morale for the season start.
PS the scheduling (traveling back and forth) didn't help.
Just ran out of talent in the end. Prandelli did the right things overall to make Italy a pro-active team that can make use of their technique and tactical abilities, but against Spain, you saw the difference.
They have 4-5 creative, mobile, midfielders and we have static versions trying to do a similar thing. And don't forget about our FB's who don't know how to take on a man.
Good result to show where our future development must be.
Veratti, Insigne, etc they should all learn to be Iniestas.
PS: Adios to DiNatale. I never want to see your extreme choking ways in an Italy shirt again.
They have 4-5 creative, mobile, midfielders and we have static versions trying to do a similar thing. And don't forget about our FB's who don't know how to take on a man.
Good result to show where our future development must be.
Veratti, Insigne, etc they should all learn to be Iniestas.
PS: Adios to DiNatale. I never want to see your extreme choking ways in an Italy shirt again.
Well yes because they have them, we don't. I said before it sucks that all our skillful players want to be SS's or occasional deep playmakers. We need attacking mids; players who will use their skill in the middle of the park, not just shooting for goal. And it's only a question of mentality/training.
In the past, ADP,Baggio, Zola, Signori etc could all have played together if they weren't just chasing goals. Now Giovinco is falling into the same 'lazy' trap. At the confed cup, we should just play a development team -
Lets see who has the balls before going back to the veterans.
In the past, ADP,Baggio, Zola, Signori etc could all have played together if they weren't just chasing goals. Now Giovinco is falling into the same 'lazy' trap. At the confed cup, we should just play a development team -
Destro
Giovinco-----Insigne
Veratti--------Marchisio
Poli
DeCiglie-Ogbonna-Acerbi-Schellotto
? Leali
Giovinco-----Insigne
Veratti--------Marchisio
Poli
DeCiglie-Ogbonna-Acerbi-Schellotto
? Leali
Lets see who has the balls before going back to the veterans.
Agreed. Chiellini wasn't in any shape to play Spain, ever mind the outside.. Balzaretti was better suited, Cassino although wasn't doing much was a waste of asub at half. Mottas sub was just shocking tbh at a 2-0 we needed a giovinco/ diamanti shit even borini would of done more then motta if he lasted. Unfortunately italy were tired and honestly had nothing left IMO. Played a semi final game 2 days prior against Germany team who are fit as fuck and had 2 days extra rest. Win that then 2 days later play a team who we knew we had to run our balls off against.
They did amazing. In the finals even 2-0 we were playing well had equal to more possession then Spain in the first half but after di chokeatale misses a wide open header you start questioning its not our day then going to 10 men down, well it turned into a training session for Spain. Italy I'm proud of you. With a healthy chiellini in the middle and a balzaretti on the outside it would of been a different story. But we aren't that old and have young talents coming up like borini, varetti, ogbonna and insigne and with soon to be veterans like marchisio and hopefully giovinco can be a player on the international stage as well but I guess we should see if he can do it with Juve and in CL first but I am confident with Italy's future hopefully just hopefully whether it's prandelli or not we have a proper coach with modern ideas and tactics to take us there.
They did amazing. In the finals even 2-0 we were playing well had equal to more possession then Spain in the first half but after di chokeatale misses a wide open header you start questioning its not our day then going to 10 men down, well it turned into a training session for Spain. Italy I'm proud of you. With a healthy chiellini in the middle and a balzaretti on the outside it would of been a different story. But we aren't that old and have young talents coming up like borini, varetti, ogbonna and insigne and with soon to be veterans like marchisio and hopefully giovinco can be a player on the international stage as well but I guess we should see if he can do it with Juve and in CL first but I am confident with Italy's future hopefully just hopefully whether it's prandelli or not we have a proper coach with modern ideas and tactics to take us there.
I guess what Italy did was very much similar to our season without the happy ending. At the beginning we were all hopes to just past group stages, specially after the last friendly against Russia, then hopes went up higher to go past the semi finals, then came the german win that made it all clear that its now or never or that its just a matter of another 90 minutes to ut our hands on the european title. What made it worse is the media that suddenly started to blow their horns for the Azzuri and Spain became just history due to their poor display in the tourney and how Italy were a great match for them in the group stage match.
Juve pretty much had a similar season where all we wanted was to hit a CL spot, then didn't mind being second and suddenly the title was right up for grabs.
The only thing we did was that we didn't fall for the media putting us as direct favors and kept our feet on the ground until the very last whistle of the last match, and that's where Conte's role was really obvious and kept his cool along side the team until the end.
Probably Italy were defeated before the games becasue of the reasons above, then the over confidence played part as well then the players gave in as Spain scored the first goal.
Juve pretty much had a similar season where all we wanted was to hit a CL spot, then didn't mind being second and suddenly the title was right up for grabs.
The only thing we did was that we didn't fall for the media putting us as direct favors and kept our feet on the ground until the very last whistle of the last match, and that's where Conte's role was really obvious and kept his cool along side the team until the end.
Probably Italy were defeated before the games becasue of the reasons above, then the over confidence played part as well then the players gave in as Spain scored the first goal.
