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Bjerknes · Jan 4, 2005

I was born and raised here in the US, living in Michigan for a couple years then moving to Maryland and Pennsylvania for the rest. Nowadays Detroit and it's suburbs are rather cheap to live in compared with other big metropolitan areas, like the Washington DC area. Maryland is etremely expensive nowadays, and if you look at the suburbs all the prices are very much inflated.

Gino Genesio · Jan 4, 2005

++ [ originally posted by rainhard ] ++
okay thanks don bes..

i have not decided yet..where to go.

but please inform me, the information in the place that you live .

for example
if you in NY city,please inform me about NY.
if in LA,please inform me bout LA etc
just like that.

many thanks for all bros in JuventuZ forum

man go to italy ore go to holland ore belgium

USA SUCKS

Majed · Jan 4, 2005

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
Getting the visa is indeed a pain and even more if you come from countries connected with terrorism

When I got my student one they didnt ask any stupid questions but I had to wait like 2 damn hours (thank God the embassy had some TVs that showed Euro 2004!)

2 hours huh....be thankfull...

2 hours is a bit better than 4 months.

gray · Jan 4, 2005

what are you complaining about, 2 hours to get a visa is like a drive-through

Dan · Jan 4, 2005

Since 9/11, there seems to be new terrioist groups all over the world

nosubstitute959 · Jan 4, 2005

Yeah......haven't you heard about the "axes of evil" :rolleyes:

KB824 · Jan 4, 2005

Yeah, those fuckers.

The Belt Axe, the Camping Axe, and the omnipresent Polished Steel Hand Axe.

Evil, Evil Axes. More UN Sactions against those Axes of Evil. Better keep an eye out for those Hatchets while we're at it.

Too good to pass up. You understand.

Elnur_E65 · Jan 4, 2005

Axes of eveil, actually, as defined in the Bush Doctrine, is Lybia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and North Korea.

nosubstitute959 · Jan 4, 2005

Yeah I was just saying......they like to generalize.

Slagathor · Jan 4, 2005

Indonesia has traditionally been an easy place for terrorists to hide because of the geographical situation. It's very easy to remain unseen in such a complicated archipelago. Especially since Indonesia's inner waters fall under an exceptional law that allows free passage by foreign vessels. It's a mess.

Holland suffered several brutal terrorist attacks in the 1960s and 70s (hijackings of trains and primary schools) when Indonesia had just regained independence from the Dutch Empire. As I said, long history.

Ian · Jan 4, 2005

:LOL: they're not new, it's just that the media didn't tell you about them before...

ßöмßäяðîëя · Jan 4, 2005

Passport, Green Card, application for a student Visa, if you are a student.

Also, 3 person apartment in what city, how many bedrooms, is electricity, plumbing, garbage, et cetera, included?

Dan · Jan 4, 2005

But the media makes people think al queda is a big terroist network, when they are just a bunch of rogues..

Alucard Belmont · Jan 4, 2005

of course we can't just come and live there.
and I'm sure you can't just come and live in Indonesia too.
I have lots of friends studying in America and I'm glad they don't meet lots of people like you who generalize country from newspaper.

Alucard Belmont · Jan 4, 2005

Considering Dutch Empire drained lots of Indonesian resource during their 300+ years of colony in Indonesia,I think it's quite normal that they pour their hatred after independence.When a country is in state of chaos, everything could happen.
The simple history is like this, Dutch is driven out by Japan on 1942, and then Indonesia proclaim independence on 1945.
On 1948, Dutch still consider Indonesia as one of their colonies and made an attack, however, they're driven away. so it's not on 1960-1970 period.

Slagathor · Jan 4, 2005

Oh I'm not saying it can't be justified. I'm about as anti-colonisation as it gets. I signed a petition the other day trying to get the government to release our remaining colonies in the caribbean.

But that's not the point. I was just explaining how terrorism has a history in Indonesia.

The hijacking and terrorist attacks in Holland in the 1960-1970 period I referred to were committed by Moluk terrorists. Something about the Moluk region trying to seek independence from Indonesia. I think their fight was pretty hopeless so they were trying to get the former colonial power (Holland) involved in the mess. They didn't get the attention they wanted so they hijacked trains and schools.

EDIT: reading that post back; I made a mess of things. It reads like the independence war of Indonesia and the terrorist attacks in Holland in the 60-70s period were related. They weren't in fact. Sorry bout that.

rainhard · Jan 5, 2005

Thanks bro Alucard..
your know Indonesian history very well

in 1945 our first President Mr.Ir.Soekarno proclaim independence (17 August 1945). Japan lost because bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Dutch (NICA) make 2 agression (1947 and 1948)
in 1948..Konferensi Meja Bundar ( Round table conferention) being held in Den haag probably (forget bout that).and RIS was founded.

I don't know about all terrorist things.

now we are all very sad about the disaster (earthquake and tsunami in Aceh).. thanks for all country that giving help to our country.

i see in television.. there are volunteer from south korea,japan,and from other country in Aceh.they help the victim.. in medical,food supply etc

People in all province collect money and food to help the victim in Aceh.

Actually in Aceh there are separate action from GAM (gerakan Aceh merdeka - Aceh Independence Action)...they want to make a new country and separate from Indonesia.

and for all bro thank you for the information..
that helped me much

its nice to join this forum

Dragon · Jan 5, 2005

Of but of course. It was two hours after I waited some months to get the damn appointment

Alucard Belmont · Jan 5, 2005

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++

Oh I'm not saying it can't be justified. I'm about as anti-colonisation as it gets. I signed a petition the other day trying to get the government to release our remaining colonies in the caribbean.

But that's not the point. I was just explaining how terrorism has a history in Indonesia.

The hijacking and terrorist attacks in Holland in the 1960-1970 period I referred to were committed by Moluk terrorists. Something about the Moluk region trying to seek independence from Indonesia. I think their fight was pretty hopeless so they were trying to get the former colonial power (Holland) involved in the mess. They didn't get the attention they wanted so they hijacked trains and schools.

EDIT: reading that post back; I made a mess of things. It reads like the independence war of Indonesia and the terrorist attacks in Holland in the 60-70s period were related. They weren't in fact. Sorry bout that.

sure it can't be justified, since many civilians will be involved as well. but shit happens in chaos. :down:
I don't know much about these Moluk terrorists, it's not on my history books.

Alucard Belmont · Jan 5, 2005

^^,
I'm Indonesian as well, so it's not surprising I know this stuff.

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