A week from now people are gonna still be posting about this as a "new scandal". 
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On paper but not as a collective, Messi grew up during the peak of La Masia's birth and all the benefits that go with growing up with that philosophy. Real Madrid have an appalling trophy record when you consider their spending, they are poorly managed on a sporting level.
I don't otherwise know where you are going with the Ronaldo vs Messi thing, what I'm saying is that Pep deserves some credit for a period of Barcelona's success, but he's not the protagonist of it.
I don't otherwise know where you are going with the Ronaldo vs Messi thing, what I'm saying is that Pep deserves some credit for a period of Barcelona's success, but he's not the protagonist of it.
1. Good for that, at least you have some logic in you.
2. You are from Denmark, as far as I know your football started and ended with Laudrup.
Fuck Bayern, only care for Arturo's performance. I can't help your saltiness tho'
Juve's doing bad, management with an awful transfer window, and you choose the scapegoat.
2. You are from Denmark, as far as I know your football started and ended with Laudrup.
Fuck Bayern, only care for Arturo's performance. I can't help your saltiness tho'
Juve's doing bad, management with an awful transfer window, and you choose the scapegoat.
Barcelona had a golden generation come out of La Masia, which is in large put due to luck. Investment does play an important part, but so does luck. They also made some very shrewd signings in the transfer market and more importantly not many of them flopped.
However, if you look at the past 5 years. 2011-2015, or the tail end of the Pep-era and into this new Barca, their net spend is higher than Real Madrid's. Barca is -202mil over the last 5 years, as opposed to Madrid at -197 mil. Only PSG, ManCity, Chelsea, and ManU have lost more in transfers than Barca, the first two obviously were building elite teams from scratch, and ManU and Chelsea have well, just spent money like the rich of the PL can do.
People need to get over the idea that this current Barcelona is this low-spending, home-grown, "good" club that operates with fiscal responsibility, and Madrid is the Galactico evil-empire driving transfer prices out of control still. Barcelona hasn't been like that for a half-dozen years, and now spends as ridiculously as any club in football.
Amusingly enough, as far as net spend goes, Juve are very high in terms of biggest losses, at 182mil. Also, in the top 20, Juve is by far ahead of any other club in terms of quantity of players acquired and offloaded. 324 players acquired. 272 players offloaded. Which is crazy. Considering Bayern has bought 45 players and sold 36 in that same period, Barcelona and Real Madrid around 50 bought and sold...
Jay, is that due to our efforts to actually start building a proper academy and youth set-up? Playing the numbers game with young talent, hoping we eventually hit the jackpot with a golden generation? Or is it something else? Acquiring players for co-own dealings, etc? Seems strange.
PS. Numbers from here: http://www.transfermarkt.com/transf...11&saison_id_bis=2015&land_id=&nat=&pos=&w_s=
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What are you talking about? I'm not upset at all with Arturo for leaving. I wish him all the best in his career. One of my favourite players during his time here, and I will always be grateful for what the 4 years he gave this club.
Are you here just to try to antagonize Juventus fans? Because if so, you should be banned from this forum.
However, if you look at the past 5 years. 2011-2015, or the tail end of the Pep-era and into this new Barca, their net spend is higher than Real Madrid's. Barca is -202mil over the last 5 years, as opposed to Madrid at -197 mil. Only PSG, ManCity, Chelsea, and ManU have lost more in transfers than Barca, the first two obviously were building elite teams from scratch, and ManU and Chelsea have well, just spent money like the rich of the PL can do.
People need to get over the idea that this current Barcelona is this low-spending, home-grown, "good" club that operates with fiscal responsibility, and Madrid is the Galactico evil-empire driving transfer prices out of control still. Barcelona hasn't been like that for a half-dozen years, and now spends as ridiculously as any club in football.
Amusingly enough, as far as net spend goes, Juve are very high in terms of biggest losses, at 182mil. Also, in the top 20, Juve is by far ahead of any other club in terms of quantity of players acquired and offloaded. 324 players acquired. 272 players offloaded. Which is crazy. Considering Bayern has bought 45 players and sold 36 in that same period, Barcelona and Real Madrid around 50 bought and sold...
Jay, is that due to our efforts to actually start building a proper academy and youth set-up? Playing the numbers game with young talent, hoping we eventually hit the jackpot with a golden generation? Or is it something else? Acquiring players for co-own dealings, etc? Seems strange.
PS. Numbers from here: http://www.transfermarkt.com/transf...11&saison_id_bis=2015&land_id=&nat=&pos=&w_s=
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What are you talking about? I'm not upset at all with Arturo for leaving. I wish him all the best in his career. One of my favourite players during his time here, and I will always be grateful for what the 4 years he gave this club.
Are you here just to try to antagonize Juventus fans? Because if so, you should be banned from this forum.
That's because of co-ownerships, I would have thought. You'll probably notice all Serie A teams well ahead of any others in different countries, whether it counts as one transfer or two.
I was looking a little further than five years in terms of Real Madrid/Barcelona comparison, more like since 2000, which is around the time the next generation started for Barcelona, as Real Madrid's 'Galacticos' were dominating.
I was looking a little further than five years in terms of Real Madrid/Barcelona comparison, more like since 2000, which is around the time the next generation started for Barcelona, as Real Madrid's 'Galacticos' were dominating.
That makes much more sense. I was a little shocked when I saw the transfer numbers at over 300 for 5 years.
The Barcelona-Madrid rivalry is interesting in the way that it has shifted over the last 15 years. It's funny to think about, but if Barcelona's Laporta had succeeded in bringing in Beckham as he had promised (instead of losing him to Madrid), and Ronaldinho had ended up in ManU like was originally planned, or even Madrid, I wonder how the middle of the 00s would have gone...
Not at all, i think he's a coach that came to barca when they were on a downward spiral, they were declining and were 3rd in the league when he took over. He made some brave and tough decisions, he instilled a winning mentality and brought discipline to the team, and he tweaked their game in a way that made barca one of the best and most effective teams in Europe.
This is what i dont understand. Have Real not assembled teams that were as good as barca individually? People keep saying anyone can win stuff with Barcelona because of Messi, yet those same people do not extend that logic to Madrid, despite the fact that they have an almost equally effective player in Ronaldo. The same people that say Pep had an amazing team that anyone could win titles with often believe at the same time that Ronaldo is better than Messi, Xavi is a limited player that only plays sideway passes, Busquets is an overrated useless player, Pique is a poor man's Bonucci, and Alves is a typical Brazilian fullback who cant defend. We don't even have to go too far, i bet raz believes all those things
This is what i dont understand. Have Real not assembled teams that were as good as barca individually? People keep saying anyone can win stuff with Barcelona because of Messi, yet those same people do not extend that logic to Madrid, despite the fact that they have an almost equally effective player in Ronaldo. The same people that say Pep had an amazing team that anyone could win titles with often believe at the same time that Ronaldo is better than Messi, Xavi is a limited player that only plays sideway passes, Busquets is an overrated useless player, Pique is a poor man's Bonucci, and Alves is a typical Brazilian fullback who cant defend. We don't even have to go too far, i bet raz believes all those things
I do believe that Pique is better then Bon bon, but that doesn't mean that he's any good though
And Xavi, was the main man behind barca successful. I do think Busquets is useless, but not as a player but as a human being, while this is true that Alves can't defend, I bet even you will agree on that