Arturo Vidal (63 Viewers)

[Lion]

Scoring a double once every four years doesn't give him a free pass.

I want to see Marchisio hustling, tackling and imposing himself on games. Scoring is nice but it's not his job.

he won't get a free pass this year, or at least the marchi fans can't use the following 2 excuses anymore":

1- he is playing out of position
2- his role is no clear

this season he has played all games in center mdifield, and his role has been the all rounder midfielder with slighlty more defensive duties.

 

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[Cheesio]

Scoring a double once every four years doesn't give him a free pass.

I want to see Marchisio hustling, tackling and imposing himself on games. Scoring is nice but it's not his job.

He's been doing his job, that's what Conte thinks at least the reason he started every game.

 

[Ahmed]

Just because Marchisio gets on the scoresheet doesn't mean all is forgotten. He's a complete question mark majority of the time.

that's fine, only thing here is that we are not talking about Marchisio here.

despite the Vidal groupies' best attempts to take the discussion down that route.

 

[Flamez]

Vidal's bad passes and, in someway, decisions are not new by any means. He showed that a lot in copa america and yet he was one of the best of his side, if I'm not wrong.

Scoring a double once every four years doesn't give him a free pass.

I want to see Marchisio hustling, tackling and imposing himself on games. Scoring is nice but it's not his job.

As if all he did against Milan was scoring. Even without the goals, he would still be the MotM. And I bet that if he ended up not scoring, some people over here would still think he was invisible in that game.

 

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he won't get a free pass this year, or at least the marchi fans can't use the following 2 excuses anymore":

1- he is playing out of position
2- his role is no clear

this season he has played all games in center mdifield, and his role has been the all rounder midfielder with slighlty more defensive duties.

I expect that his fans will continually bring up the few stand out performances (like against Milan and Parma) to justify the 20+ other poor games he has this season. Expect any mistake by Vidal to be scrutinized endlessly as well.

that's fine, only thing here is that we are not talking about Marchisio here.

despite the Vidal groupies' best attempts to take the discussion down that route.

Say what now? The Marchisio fan parade is always turning this into a Vidal vs. Marchisio discussion. Every single fucking day, dude.

 

[Cheesio]

Vidal's bad passes and, in someway, decisions are not new by any means. He showed that a lot in copa america and yet he was one of the best of his side, if I'm not wrong.


As if all he did against Milan was scoring. Even without the goals, he would still be the MotM. And I bet that if he ended up not scoring, some people over here would still think he was invisible in that game.

And when i said last week that Marchisio's passing was better than Vidal i get attacked and get labelled a fanboy the only thing that Vidal got right now on Marchisio is his physical presence and pressing ( he can press higher in the field cause Marchisio stays back and cover for him) .

 

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Vidal's bad passes and, in someway, decisions are not new by any means. He showed that a lot in copa america and yet he was one of the best of his side, if I'm not wrong.


As if all he did against Milan was scoring. Even without the goals, he would still be the MotM. And I bet that if he ended up not scoring, some people over here would still think he was invisible in that game.

I wasn't impressed with Vidal at the Copa America either but to be fair to him alot of big players underperformed and he was used in a variety of roles.

I don't agree that he would have been MOTM without his goals. Marchisio was excellent going forward and linking up in the first half but he faded hard in the second.

 

[Flamez]

And when i said last week that Marchisio's passing was better than Vidal i get attacked and get labelled a fanboy the only thing that Vidal got right now on Marchisio is his physical presence and pressing ( he can press higher in the field cause Marchisio stays back and cover for him) .

Marchisio is definitely a better passer than Vidal, but I'd add the versatibility to the Vidal plus group and would take the pressing, as Marchisio can easily be a beast in that department.

I don't agree that he would have been MOTM without his goals. Marchisio was excellent going forward and linking up in the first half but he faded hard in the second.

Who'd you choose, then? I can only see Vucinic, Vidal and probably Pirlo as fair options, but even considering those, I think Marchisio performed better. Linked up our play, pressed as he should and generally did less mistakes than the others.

 

[Trequartista]

Marchisio is definitely a better passer than Vidal, but I'd add the versatibility to the Vidal plus group and would take the pressing, as Marchisio can easily be a beast in that department.

I hope you're not basing your judgement solely on what you saw at the Copa America and in the first few games of the season.

From what I have seen at Bayer(several times), he's a better passer than Marchisio.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I hope you're not basing your judgement solely on what you saw at the Copa America and in the first few games of the season.

From what I have seen at Bayer(several times), he's a better passer than Marchisio.

His 11 assists last season must mean anything.

 

[Hust]

he won't get a free pass this year, or at least the marchi fans can't use the following 2 excuses anymore":

1- he is playing out of position
2- his role is no clear

this season he has played all games in center mdifield, and his role has been the all rounder midfielder with slighlty more defensive duties.

And this season he is playing in his natural role with consistency, and what is he doing? Proving you all wrong...again...and again...and again. Amazing how well one can play when they get to play in their natural role.

He's been doing his job, that's what Conte thinks at least the reason he started every game.

that's fine, only thing here is that we are not talking about Marchisio here.

despite the Vidal groupies' best attempts to take the discussion down that route.

Absolutely.

Spot on.

As if all he did against Milan was scoring. Even without the goals, he would still be the MotM. And I bet that if he ended up not scoring, some people over here would still think he was invisible in that game.

They are so fucking predictable. Like I said earlier. If the next game Marchisio makes ONE bad pass the entire forum will hear about it. Guaranteed.

I expect that his fans will continually bring up the few stand out performances (like against Milan and Parma) to justify the 20+ other poor games he has this season. Expect any mistake by Vidal to be scrutinized endlessly as well.


Say what now? The Marchisio fan parade is always turning this into a Vidal vs. Marchisio discussion. Every single fucking day, dude.

A taste of your own medicine, perhaps? Abso-fucking-lutely.

As far as the second part. It's like you never read our posts. Today no one brought his name up except you boys. I was talking strictly about Vidal's below par performance.

Don't fall off the bandwagon.

 

[Cheesio]

I hope you're not basing your judgement solely on what you saw at the Copa America and in the first few games of the season.

From what I have seen at Bayer(several times), he's a better passer than Marchisio.

Don't be fooled by the assist rate that was brought every time, i remember Alen posting videos of his 10 or so assits and none of them was a fantastic pass that broke the defence ( Pirlo like ) and Marchisio is definetely a better passer and superior technique wise, and passing isn't something you forget i watched Vidal in Coppa America and freindlies with Chili and his games with us and i always saw an average passer definetely not better than Marchisio but people will always say oh he had 10 assists in Bundesliga, go see those assists and you'll notice that none of them was a special pass.
And i like Vidal cause his bring another aspect to our game but so far Marchisio is doing a better job thus he's been granted a starting spot.

 

[Trequartista]

Don't be fooled by the assist rate that was brought every time, i remember Alen posting several of his 10 or so assits and none of them was a fantastic pass that broke the defence ( Pirlo like ) and Marchisio is definetely a better passer and superior technique wise, and passing isn't something you forget i watched Vidal in Coppa America and freindlies with Chili and his games with us and i always saw an average passer definetely not better than Marchisio but people will always say oh he had 10 assists in Bundesliga, go see those assists and you'll notice that none of them was a special pass.

I didn't mention the assists, nice straw man argument.

From what I have seen of him(full games) at Bayer, his passing is better than Marchisio's.

 

[adriano_c]

His 11 assists last season must mean anything.

11 assists in the Bundesliga aren't worth 4 in Serie A of course!

But in all seriousness, that pass Vidal gave to Marchisio for his take-and-volley attempt was inspired, to say the least.

 

[Cheesio]

I didn't mention the assists, nice straw man argument.

From what I have seen of him(full games) at Bayer, his passing is better than Marchisio's.

How can you explain his so so passing games thus far ( Coppa America too, and Chili vs spain ) Did he forget how to pass ??

 

[Trequartista]

How can you explain his so so passing games thus far ( Coppa America too, and Chili vs spain ) Did he forget how to pass ??

In the Copa, he didn't play very well but that can happen to every player, you know?? Don't even get me started on Marchisio's wonderful world cup.

Against Spain, he was played as a left back. You can't really blame him for that, can't you?

 

[Cheesio]

11 assists in the Bundesliga aren't worth 4 in Serie A of course!

But in all seriousness, that pass Vidal gave to Marchisio for his take-and-volley attempt was inspired, to say the least.

That was a simple pass but Marchisio ball control was superb and if you noticed that he brought the ball from the back to the front oh his right foot and shot it without hitting the ground and the move was so difficult that he couldn't find strength to his shot.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Well, even in the Milan game he made 4 key passes.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Marchisio is definitely a better passer than Vidal, but I'd add the versatibility to the Vidal plus group and would take the pressing, as Marchisio can easily be a beast in that department.


Who'd you choose, then? I can only see Vucinic, Vidal and probably Pirlo as fair options, but even considering those, I think Marchisio performed better. Linked up our play, pressed as he should and generally did less mistakes than the others.

Personally I didn't think there was one particular standout performer. Vucinic, Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo, Chiellini all had very good games.

 

[Cheesio]

In the Copa, he didn't play very well but that can happen to every player, you know?? Don't even get me started on Marchisio's wonderful world cup.

Against Spain, he was played as a left back. You can't really blame him for that, can't you?

No i don't blame cause i never saw him as a great passer as some of you do, playing LB or CB don't make you forget how to pass, Marchisio had his share of bad games but passing wise it's clear that he's superior to Vidal as evidence by all the games played this year.