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He also didn't start a lot of our more difficult games which we were more likely to drop points in, such as:
Roma away
Lazio away
Atalanta home
Fiorentina home (where we had an early red)
Milan away
Inter away
Napoli away
Lazio home
Napoli home
Atalanta away
Fiorentina away
Milan home
Inter home
I'd say barely playing or not playing in these games gives you a far higher chance of a better average points per minute or whatever the stat was than those who did.
You could argue if Arthur played in these we may have got more points, possible but given that we couldn't beat Benevento with him (twice) I'd say unlikely that he would be the difference maker.
Another example of stats not telling the whole story and why looking at them in isolation proves little.
Roma away
Lazio away
Atalanta home
Fiorentina home (where we had an early red)
Milan away
Inter away
Napoli away
Lazio home
Napoli home
Atalanta away
Fiorentina away
Milan home
Inter home
I'd say barely playing or not playing in these games gives you a far higher chance of a better average points per minute or whatever the stat was than those who did.
You could argue if Arthur played in these we may have got more points, possible but given that we couldn't beat Benevento with him (twice) I'd say unlikely that he would be the difference maker.
Another example of stats not telling the whole story and why looking at them in isolation proves little.
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Yep, it's generally not a good idea to just look at some random numbers and make hasty conclusions based on them. You need to actually understand why the numbers are what they are. There's a reason why data analysts are in big demand today, it's not always obvious or easy to understand what the numbers show.
There definitely is a reason why analysts, statisticians and data scientists are in high demand these days. It was stated that we dropped points in the few games he played. That is factually wrong. The (not few) games he played, we won more points. Then you can speculate and argue what other factors are there. But it is still wrong that we "dropped points" when he played, unless you decide to focus on 1-2 incidents and base your evaluation of the player around that.
As I mentioned many times now, I think he had an average 1st season. Not great, but definitely not useless or trash, compared to the rest of the bunch we have and how they played this season. And we cant replace them all. Im giving him 1 season more to prove himself. There are 5 or more players I would shit-can before him, unless a good offer comes in.
As I mentioned many times now, I think he had an average 1st season. Not great, but definitely not useless or trash, compared to the rest of the bunch we have and how they played this season. And we cant replace them all. Im giving him 1 season more to prove himself. There are 5 or more players I would shit-can before him, unless a good offer comes in.
I don’t need analysts to tell me that every time he played he was reluctant to make a forward pass and often held the ball too long. He was also injured for large stretches of the season and from what we know he still hasn’t recovered from the last setback.
If he doesn’t develop or spends this season on the treatment table too then obvious conclusions can be drawn.
If he doesn’t develop or spends this season on the treatment table too then obvious conclusions can be drawn.
If he doesn’t dawdle with the ball and take forever to make his pass over the top, then Morata’s gorgeous finish in the 2nd leg against Porto isn’t offside and we go through to QFs. But alas he waited an age to release the ball after Alvaro started his run and a winning goal was wasted.
Hopefully Allegri can get him sorted or what a waste of money.
he's directly responsible for both goals benevento scored vs juve: he assisted both of them. that alone made cl qualification a nigthmare. i usually love stats, but sometimes they fail to tell the whole story.
we might still have won more points on average with him on the pitch, and the potential reason for it is that when we had that 6-match winning streak in january, pirlo put 3 cm's in the starting lineup, and the team became more balanced right away, even though mckennie was played out of position. arthur himself only had one decent month (january) and 2-3 very good matches on an individual level. chicken shit for his transfer price and salary.
we might still have won more points on average with him on the pitch, and the potential reason for it is that when we had that 6-match winning streak in january, pirlo put 3 cm's in the starting lineup, and the team became more balanced right away, even though mckennie was played out of position. arthur himself only had one decent month (january) and 2-3 very good matches on an individual level. chicken shit for his transfer price and salary.
So you are arguing that we would have been in a better financial situation had we kept a dead Pjanic here. Like we done it with Khedira, Iaquinta and the likes. Unsellable, on a very high salary. This will be true if we now wont get more value out of Arthur this coming season and years to come, or wont be able to sell him for more than the pennies we gave in exchange.
Lets evaluate the situation at the end of next season and see. You might be right.
Lets evaluate the situation at the end of next season and see. You might be right.
Arthur has a book value of 72mil + 10. If we sell him for less, we get a massive minusvalenza on our books, so we’re basically stuck with him thanks to that as we can’t afford that kind of loss. The exchange is absolutely irrelevant on our books.
And Pjanic, even a dead Pjanic under Sarri a year ago, was twice the player Arthur is.
Regardless, he had no book value, we could have sold him for 10mil and just bought a talented young mid like Locatelli, or kept Pjanic another year and brought in Tonali as back-up for example, to grow into the role. There were myriad better options than signing this rubbish lolzilian.
Arthur has a book value of 72mil + 10. If we sell him for less, we get a massive minusvalenza on our books, so we’re basically stuck with him thanks to that as we can’t afford that kind of loss. The exchange is absolutely irrelevant on our books.
And Pjanic, even a dead Pjanic under Sarri a year ago, was twice the player Arthur is.
Regardless, he had no book value, we could have sold him for 10mil and just bought a talented young mid like Locatelli, or kept Pjanic another year and brought in Tonali as back-up for example, to grow into the role. There were myriad better options than signing this rubbish lolzilian.
Arthur has a book value of 72mil + 10. If we sell him for less, we get a massive minusvalenza on our books, so we’re basically stuck with him thanks to that as we can’t afford that kind of loss. The exchange is absolutely irrelevant on our books.
And Pjanic, even a dead Pjanic under Sarri a year ago, was twice the player Arthur is.
Regardless, he had no book value, we could have sold him for 10mil and just bought a talented young mid like Locatelli, or kept Pjanic another year and brought in Tonali as back-up for example, to grow into the role. There were myriad better options than signing this rubbish lolzilian.
You do know there is book value (relevant for FFP) and an actual company balance and value in the company ? One thing you can fake and play around with (as we did with the Arthur/Pjanic exchange), the other one you cant. If even this logic fails the einsteins here then I think Im done on this topic.
I do agree though that we could have looked at other options (and we probably did). There are many players I would rather have than unreliable lolzillians as well.
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You do know there is book value (relevant for FFP) and an actual company balance and value in the company ? One thing you can fake and play around with (as we did with the Arthur/Pjanic exchange), the other one you cant. If even this logic fails the einsteins here then I think Im done on this topic.
I do agree though that we could have looked at other options (and we probably did). There are many players I would rather have than unreliable lolzillians as well.
And
at thinking it was a good idea to give Pjanic + 12mil to get this lolzilian turd.Again, Pjanic > Arthur and it’s still not particularly close.
Anyways, hopefully we manage to con someone into buying this turd, or Allegri manages to polish a turd yet again and make him at least somewhat useful.
