are we a clean and honest club? (19 Viewers)

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
#82
We are probably guilty of everything, but so is every other club. (Aside from Barca, they are just ridiculous)
 
May 8, 2006
9
#85
swag said:
The point for the here and now being that Roma has a chance for silverware this week. And more than likely, they will go down choking to a dodgy Inter side of late ... all the while whining about Juve.
I am not a player in AS Roma. What I choose to do with a few spare-minutes during one day of my life is hardly very likely to have a great impact on Roma's chances to win the Cup, is it? Sure, if I was, say, Panucci, and posted on a message board rather than going to training, you would have a point. But: psssssst, I'm not Panucci.

Besides, I have done no so such thing as to 'whine'. I've had valid and concrete arguments ignored by everyone, because y'all don't have a clue as to what it is you're saying..."Roma to C/2!", "bla!", "bleh!", etcetera etcetera. Or is it a coincidence no one has had factual disagreements with me, that all everyone's been able to muster up is weak smack that has to do with the team I watch every week?
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
#86
ErGo'DeTurone said:
hahahahahhhhhhahahahahahahahaha

Clean and honest like Tom DeLay.

ErGo'DeTurone said:
Ten bucks says you can't finish that statement off with anything substantial.

ErGo'DeTurone said:
As I said, you couldn't find one substantial fact to back up your absurd notion. All you have is a once-upon-a-time poor financial record for ASR and Fiorentina being demoted to C/2, and you've taken the liberty to connect the dots inbetween all on your own. Which didn't come out too impressive.

As far as the Moggi tapes goes, criminal investigations have been launched in two of Italy's 3 biggest cities, so let's wait a lil' longer before we dismiss the off-chance that it can bring with it something substantial.

ErGo'DeTurone said:
How exactly am I to surprise you? I am obviously of a differing opinion, but should I still make your case for you? Here it is, pay attention: there was absolutely no reason why Roma should have been demoted. None. All you have is the Fiorentina-connection, but judging on your evasive posts, I gather you haven't a proper grasp of that issue either, which makes your conclusions a waste of everyone's time.
For future reference; if anyone is going to make absurd claims, at least have the common desency to back them up with, if not facts, then some sort of rationale.


Obviously not, the investigations are one, possibly two, work-day(s) old.


Hehehehehe...cute.

ErGo'DeTurone said:
According to the tapes? Biscardi, Pairetto, Giraudo, etcetera etcetera.

ErGo'DeTurone said:
What on earth are you talking about?

ErGo'DeTurone said:

ErGo'DeTurone said:
I am not a player in AS Roma. What I choose to do with a few spare-minutes during one day of my life is hardly very likely to have a great impact on Roma's chances to win the Cup, is it? Sure, if I was, say, Panucci, and posted on a message board rather than going to training, you would have a point. But: psssssst, I'm not Panucci.

Besides, I have done no so such thing as to 'whine'. I've had valid and concrete arguments ignored by everyone, because y'all don't have a clue as to what it is you're saying..."Roma to C/2!", "bla!", "bleh!", etcetera etcetera. Or is it a coincidence no one has had factual disagreements with me, that all everyone's been able to muster up is weak smack that has to do with the team I watch every week?

valid and concrete arguements!!??!!

i can only see personal insults,
when r u willing to post those "concrete arguements" u r threating us about?
 
Jan 7, 2004
29,704
#87
axlrose85 said:
id like everyone's UNBIASED view on this subject.a club who's players were accused of drug usage,a club who's general manager is being accused of influencing referees.
are we really an honest and clean club?

sure,we can live by the 'innocent until proven guilty' theory over here,but really, a club which seems to underachieve in europe,and has yet has dominated the local league historically in a manner matched only by real madrid in spain.is it because we cant 'ask' the refrees to assist us in europe?

i hate to think so,but ive got a feeling that we are not a totally honest and clean club.i hope im wrong.
my opinion? no club is inocent. some do more and some do less depending on the influence they have
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#92
Well:
1. Del Piero did look suspiciously buff after his second season. So some of the drug alligations might be true, then again, those things aren't really 100 percent sure, he might of just been given muscle building vitamins that aren't steroids.

2. As for the ref thing, I doubt it was at all Moggi's intention to fix the ref, I mean Jeez, a mafia guy like that would be smart enough to do so for important games in the CL instead of against a weaklink. he probably just said,
"please tell the ref to control the game so that Juve don't recieve unneccessary injuries"
as small clubs will go all out against famous teams.
The other was for a friendly, as far as I'm concern, clubs should have a say in ref choices for friendlies. They hold no importance what so ever other than just getting into shape. Again, to avoid injury it would be good to have a ref who limits rough tackles. I see no other advantage to fixing a ref for a friendly.


But apart from those allegations, Juve is well kown for its organization and profit making, no?

Juve with its double image, one filled with corruption and scandals, and another of a highly professional organization. Put them together and you get a highly organized sydicate or mafia. Cool :D

But if that were really us, how could we have gotten caught in the act?
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
#93
ErGo'DeTurone said:
I am not a player in AS Roma. What I choose to do with a few spare-minutes during one day of my life is hardly very likely to have a great impact on Roma's chances to win the Cup, is it? Sure, if I was, say, Panucci, and posted on a message board rather than going to training, you would have a point. But: psssssst, I'm not Panucci.

Besides, I have done no so such thing as to 'whine'. I've had valid and concrete arguments ignored by everyone, because y'all don't have a clue as to what it is you're saying..."Roma to C/2!", "bla!", "bleh!", etcetera etcetera. Or is it a coincidence no one has had factual disagreements with me, that all everyone's been able to muster up is weak smack that has to do with the team I watch every week?
i just have a couple of questions to u

1- Were any of the allegations poven ?

2-Why almost every allegation against us is produced by the media or by babbling old romanista fool ?
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
#94
denco said:
I am still in the dark as to how that has got to do with being dishonest in the premiership and be careful how you point accusations as the club you love have had dealings with gadaffi so i am not sure how you can throw that in the mix. HGow he made his money has got nothing to do with clean and dishonesty of Chelsea, thats abramovich's problem. We are talking about influencing and manipulating the league not where money for buying players came from
and wats wrong with Gadaffi ?
 

white_rabbit

Senior Member
Apr 9, 2006
592
#95
well i dont think that any club is clean simply because there are alot of people concerned with it and the bigger the team the more the people.

in other words we are not less scandelus than any other big team.

and regarding the eurpopean under achievment i'm convinced that the CL was not important to italian teams before the new system which was introduced in the 90's

plus since 2000 juve's style of play was not of Cup competetions. we play for a result as if we are in a league and not push the team to tha max and others do and win.

if you notice in that period we did not win the italian Cup as we used to double easly in the past.

If we want to win a CL then we must play more fancy football ( like Milan and Real)
 

Dominic

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2004
16,706
#99
- vOnAm - said:
Well:
1. Del Piero did look suspiciously buff after his second season. So some of the drug alligations might be true, then again, those things aren't really 100 percent sure, he might of just been given muscle building vitamins that aren't steroids.
The Epo thing(and creatine) was proven anyway Vonam. Zidane even admitted to it.

We were aquitted because in '96 those drugs weren't on the banned substances list yet.
 

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