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Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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Exactly. i love Conte but there are actually fools in here saying we will go back to finishing 7th if Conte leaves this summer. Its ridiculous, our incredibly stacked lineup (by serie A standards) is not just going to suddenly fall apart in Serie A without Conte there to hold their hands through every game. At least a little credit could be given to the players who've won three successive titles too :howler:
I've lost count the number of times Conte has praised his players and his efforts, it's not like Conte is taking all the credit.
 

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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Exactly. We're fan of Juve, not coaches and players. Naturally we want them to do good here, but reason behind our recent success isn't solely Conte's merit. He should get credit, but others should as well, and this team won't crumble, nor will the players suddenly forget to play footy if/when he decides to leave.
 

mukumsplau

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Jul 9, 2008
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first time i'm reading this part..

Current Real Madrid assistant coach and former Juventus midfielder Zinedine Zidane has already been touted as a potential replacement.

"That's a question to ask Marotta," Conte said. "Zizou is like a brother to me. We won so much together and he's a fantastic lad. I'm pleased he's assisting [Carlo] Ancelotti at Madrid, and I wish him all the best."
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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I hate how Conte gets credit for everything that is Juventus. He was a great part of the team, he was not the whole team.

Agnelli is the one who gave him his shot when there were more experienced candidates. Agnelli was the one behind the beautiful new stadium that Conte sprints around in after we win. Where we sell out every match.

Marotta is the one who gave him the undisputed best squad in Italy. He asked for 2 strikers, he got Tevez and Llorente for 9M ffs.

The players are the ones who gave their all game in and game out. You literally can't even question the effort of any player on the squad. Remarkable. They're not mindless robots that are mind controlled by the coach. If they don't want to play, they won't play. They definitely busted their asses for 3 years because that's in their individual characters.

I wish Conte stays but I won't cry if he leaves. I cheer for Juventus, not Conte. His act is getting repetitive and annoying.
:tup:

I would be sucking his balls even with his antics if for real he made us compete and play like champions..... but with the pussy defensive football we play, the embarrassing crashing outs and his usual drama/blackmailing every end of the season... no way bro.

Conte do whatever you want and you think is best for you. If you are not u to the task anymore, then so be it.
 

mukumsplau

Senior Member
Jul 9, 2008
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Exactly. We're fan of Juve, not coaches and players. Naturally we want them to do good here, but reason behind our recent success isn't solely Conte's merit. He should get credit, but others should as well, and this team won't crumble, nor will the players suddenly forget to play footy if/when he decides to leave.
i get no excitement rolfstomping the league...we can compete at the highest with any coach at the helm

Conte isnt Juventus...just like Del Piero isnt Juventus...get over it...Emos
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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as far as i can recall Elia was the only big flop under the Conte era, the likes of krasic and martinez were pre Conte and were never requested by Conte himself, he clearly knew they were not good enough or not suited to Conte's style which is fair enough.
Right. And there were certainly players we brought in that Conte had nothing to do with that proved to be influential. He probably didn't even know who Pogba was for example. Not sure he really requested Pirlo, that was probably done while they were in the process of signing Conte at the same time. Barzagli was already on the team, he was bought for 300K.

This point isn't directed at you, just a general thought. Let's not forget how he was banned for the match-fixing, rightly or wrongly, and we didn't miss a beat. The club stood behind him and continued on. I will acknowledge that I'm sure Conte still influenced the team greatly throughout that period but the players did not show any effects from having their coach banned. Such professionals.

I mean, he puts Storari in net against Roma when the guy barely plays and he looks like Buffon ffs. Even our backup keeper is top 10 in the league.

This is what I mean when I say Juventus is a team effort.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,001
Right. And there were certainly players we brought in that Conte had nothing to do with that proved to be influential. He probably didn't even know who Pogba was for example. Not sure he really requested Pirlo, that was probably done while they were in the process of signing Conte at the same time. Barzagli was already on the team, he was bought for 300K.

This point isn't directed at you, just a general thought. Let's not forget how he was banned for the match-fixing, rightly or wrongly, and we didn't miss a beat. The club stood behind him and continued on. I will acknowledge that I'm sure Conte still influenced the team greatly throughout that period but the players did not show any effects from having their coach banned. Such professionals.

I mean, he puts Storari in net against Roma when the guy barely plays and he looks like Buffon ffs. Even our backup keeper is top 10 in the league.

This is what I mean when I say Juventus is a team effort.
I don't think many outside of man utd knew who Pogba was but again credit to Conte in believing in him and adding a new dimension to the 'mvp' trio

I don't think he requested Pirlo he was already in the pipeline before Conte's arrival but again credit to Conte for getting the best out of someone who was deemed as washed up at milan, same with barzagli, he was pretty bad if not mediocre at best prior to Conte's arrival.

but as i said before a lot of this may be Conte's doing but Conte has always thanked the players you see it when he celebrates with them, you hear and read about it in his press conferences, not once has he ever said I did this or I did that, but he has been undeniably a huge catalyst behind the team's unity and ethos of this team
 

mukumsplau

Senior Member
Jul 9, 2008
4,443
:tup:

I would be sucking his balls even with his antics if for real he made us compete and play like champions..... but with the pussy defensive football we play, the embarrassing crashing outs and his usual drama/blackmailing every end of the season... no way bro.

Conte do whatever you want and you think is best for you. If you are not u to the task anymore, then so be it.
ahhh this is it...ah like u...ur not blinded by the fancy stats..u look at what actually goes on second by second on the field

1. we genuinely struggled against 'inferior' opponents way to often in the league..dare i say on a good few occasions we looked like the inferior side
2. up against decent teams we clam up and pussy out
3. these seemingly programmed plays, corners CORNERS OMG the corners, balls over top, one time flicks to no one, asa's ONE move down the flank, pirlo's dinks over the top etc etc..come on dude...any opposing staff worth their salt can eat up and shit on these tactics in classroom sessions
4. these late susbitutions expecting the sub to impact the game with like 5 or 10min remaining?

i can think of more but not now...

can u imagine say we play like the way say montella directs his teams to play...look how he took a shit squad in catania and how impressive they were...teams esp in europe dont fear us rightfully so...out there they hav stopped respecting names they respect what u do on the field....all the pre-game PR BS teams speak kindly of each other is just that..some watch juve and think "im gonna beat this pussy up"
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
I don't think many outside of man utd knew who Pogba was but again credit to Conte to believing in him and adding a new dimension to the 'mvp' trio

I don't think he requested Pirlo he was already in the pipeline before Conte's arrival but again credit to Conte for getting the best out of someone who was deemed as washed up at milan, same with barzagli, he was pretty bad if not mediocre at best prior to Conte's arrival.

but as i said before a lot of this may be Conte's doing but Conte has always thanked the players you see it when he celebrates with them, you hear and read about it in his press conferences, not once has he ever said I did this or I did that, but he has been undeniably a huge catalyst behind the team's unity and ethos of this team
No one is doubting this, but i also think that luck was on our part for all the pieces to match. Just conte would have been not enought if he continued with the pussy players of the previous seasons. He did his part, and yes he did.... but he reached his celiling with us. he is even admitting it. If we force his stay, with that attitude, it will be for the worst.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,001
No one is doubting this, but i also think that luck was on our part for all the pieces to match. Just conte would have been not enought if he continued with the pussy players of the previous seasons. He did his part, and yes he did.... but he reached his celiling with us. he is even admitting it. If we force his stay, with that attitude, it will be for the worst.
only the board can increase those boundaries for Conte. why waste another season without a challenge? it's like completing a video game over and over again, it gets boring instead you are waiting on the next expansion pack
 

Dino_mk

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2007
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I hate how Conte gets credit for everything that is Juventus. He was a great part of the team, he was not the whole team.

Agnelli is the one who gave him his shot when there were more experienced candidates. Agnelli was the one behind the beautiful new stadium that Conte sprints around in after we win. Where we sell out every match.

Marotta is the one who gave him the undisputed best squad in Italy. He asked for 2 strikers, he got Tevez and Llorente for 9M ffs.

The players are the ones who gave their all game in and game out. You literally can't even question the effort of any player on the squad. Remarkable. They're not mindless robots that are mind controlled by the coach. If they don't want to play, they won't play. They definitely busted their asses for 3 years because that's in their individual characters.

I wish Conte stays but I won't cry if he leaves. I cheer for Juventus, not Conte. His act is getting repetitive and annoying.
:tup: Exactly what I would say!

To all people saying that Conte has most credits for Juves success, I will point out that hi played with same team and tactics, rarely rotating the players and never changed tactics regardless of the opponent.
Those are hardly points of excellent coach.
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
I hate how Conte gets credit for everything that is Juventus. He was a great part of the team, he was not the whole team.

Agnelli is the one who gave him his shot when there were more experienced candidates. Agnelli was the one behind the beautiful new stadium that Conte sprints around in after we win. Where we sell out every match.

Marotta is the one who gave him the undisputed best squad in Italy. He asked for 2 strikers, he got Tevez and Llorente for 9M ffs.

The players are the ones who gave their all game in and game out. You literally can't even question the effort of any player on the squad. Remarkable. They're not mindless robots that are mind controlled by the coach. If they don't want to play, they won't play. They definitely busted their asses for 3 years because that's in their individual characters.

I wish Conte stays but I won't cry if he leaves. I cheer for Juventus, not Conte. His act is getting repetitive and annoying.
Exactly.

I'd just point out that Conte is one of the most important juventini of all times.

Juve was going through its worst moment in history, in more than 100 years, and when Conte arrived, the institution was shred apart. It was a team with absolutely no confidence, getting fucked up by the likes of Palermo and Chievo, players with talent playing horribly by a matter of lack trust and self esteem, goals gifted in the last minute of every fucking game...

Conte simply changed the mentality of this team, overnight. He sent Juve back to its identity, along with the winning mentality. Him, the Stadium and Pirlo. It was a perfect storm.

So, this being pointed out, as a coach, he isn't that great. He clearly lacks vision to change when a change is needed. He's also horrible in developing youngsters, and also a bad decision maker when it comes to rotation and purchase of players.

Summing it up, he's one of the most important of Juve's history; but also far from perfect.

I'd say that now that the confidence and winning mentality is restored, we could use a coach with wider ideas when it comes to football.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,055
i get no excitement rolfstomping the league...we can compete at the highest with any coach at the helm

Conte isnt Juventus...just like Del Piero isnt Juventus...get over it...Emos
That Del Piero saga was tedious. I still stand behind what I said that the good decision was made back then. Plenty of greats have played during the years and plenty more will. Fortunately we don't have that provincial mentality like some clubs in Italy that often sacrifice future well being of their clubs for the individuals.

Right. And there were certainly players we brought in that Conte had nothing to do with that proved to be influential. He probably didn't even know who Pogba was for example. Not sure he really requested Pirlo, that was probably done while they were in the process of signing Conte at the same time. Barzagli was already on the team, he was bought for 300K.

This point isn't directed at you, just a general thought. Let's not forget how he was banned for the match-fixing, rightly or wrongly, and we didn't miss a beat. The club stood behind him and continued on. I will acknowledge that I'm sure Conte still influenced the team greatly throughout that period but the players did not show any effects from having their coach banned. Such professionals.

I mean, he puts Storari in net against Roma when the guy barely plays and he looks like Buffon ffs. Even our backup keeper is top 10 in the league.

This is what I mean when I say Juventus is a team effort.
It was a great team effort above all supported by extremely competent mgt and excellent up and coming coach. Agnelli's return at the helm coincides with our uprise. You're right, Pirlo was brought before Conte, along with Barza and Storrari. Praising exclusively Conte is a bit disrespectful to the other guys that have played their part. And really how many clubs would stand behind their coach after he had received suspension, practically disabling him to be present during the matchdays. A bit perspective guys, Conte should above else be grateful that he has been part of this great team.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
all the pre-game PR BS teams speak kindly of each other is just that..some watch juve and think "im gonna beat this pussy up"
No doubt. Its way too easy for opposing coach to predict our play. Some of them, fail to capitalize, but others tell their team to go out and pounce us. then we suffer and look bad. Too predictable.

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only the board can increase those boundaries for Conte. why waste another season without a challenge? it's like completing a video game over and over again, it gets boring instead you are waiting on the next expansion pack
False. He is selling you that idea and you are buying it. I have told this befoe to you, but you are blinded by him.

The one who set his own ceiling should be him, not marotta or agnelli. And is not that they left conte to do all the work with only giacherinis and pelusos-... the board has found exceptional players for him like vidAL pirlo, tevez, llorente, porga....and we have now an array of youngsters willing to breakthru the first team. It this wasnt enought,,, we are looking to reinforce even more the team, within our limits..... but those limits are more than enought for conte o show our worth against stronger opposition and get kicked out with our heads held hight.

But no.... no way Conte can accept the challenge.
Excuses man, all excuses.
 

mukumsplau

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Jul 9, 2008
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What's next for perfectionist Conte and Juventus?
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Antonio Conte has performed far above expectations since taking over as Juve manager. So why, then, does his future there seem so uncertain?

Juventus' players picked Antonio Conte up, put him on their shoulders and launched their coach into the air over and over again in celebration. Being

the character he is, the 44-year-old soon came back down to earth. He insists on keeping his feet -- and everyone else's -- firmly on ground. Conte

isn't one to allow himself to get carried away, nor does he dwell too long and take time to enjoy his success. He looks forward, not back. He gets

ready to go again. No sooner has the confetti settled on another championship-winning season than it's on to the next one.

Which brings us to the following question: What really is next for him? Conte appeared to ask himself this after Monday night's 1-0 win against

Atalanta. It was Juve's 31st in the league this campaign and their 18th in a row at home, where they have been perfect all season. Both are Serie A

records. More could yet be broken. With two games of the campaign still to play, Juventus can not only exceed the 97 points that Inter accumulated

in 2006-07 but they could become the first team ever to break the 100-point barrier in Italy's top flight.



Reaching for an adjective to describe the past nine months, Conte went with "historic." Juventus haven't won three Scudetti in a row since 1933.

"What this team has done in Italy cannot be improved upon," argued Conte. He said the same a year ago when Juventus finished with more points,

scored more goals and conceded fewer than they did in his first season, when they became only the third team in Serie A history to go undefeated

in the league. This time, however, it's hard not to believe Conte. For it really is tough to see how Juventus can possibly post better numbers.

Is he saying: "I've taken this team as far as it can go?" Perhaps. Though not necessarily. Maybe it's more a case of managing expectation. Conte

knows that, for many, only victory in Europe will constitute success from now on. He was upset with the criticism that followed Juve's exit from the

group stages of the Champions League and the semifinals of the Europa League. Yet from his perspective, the club is ahead of schedule.

Recall the state Juventus were in when he was appointed. They were coming off back-to-back seventh-place finishes. The objective he was given by

the club in Year 1 was to get Juventus back into the Champions League, in Year 2 it was to challenge for the Scudetto and in Year 3, it was to win

it. A hat trick of titles was above and beyond his brief. Why, then, he should be criticised so heavily for disappointing in Europe beats Conte. A

quarterfinal and elimination at the hands of the eventual winners in his first year. A semifinal (albeit in another continental competition) the next.


For him, that represents progress.


Juventus have won three straight Scudettos yet failed to make a dent in Europe. Given the difficulty of the Champions League, that's no great

shame.

Above all, people need to be realistic. Winning the Champions League is not straightforward. Conte has pointed this out. But some of his

mitigations don't hold up to scrutiny, for instance, Juve's inability to compete financially with the other elite clubs in Europe. "If you sit in a

restaurant where the prices are 100 euros [a head], you can't think about eating with only 10 euros," Conte said.

And yet if this logic applied, then the teams that spent the most money -- Real Madrid, Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain -- would be the

only ones to win the Champions League. Instead, clubs with smaller turnover and lower wage bills than Juventus -- like Borussia Dortmund last year

and Atletico Madrid this season -- have still managed to reach the final. It also hasn't escaped the attention that Atleti have one former Juve flop in

their first team [Tiago] and another on the bench as one of their first go-to substitutes [Diego Ribas].

In Conte's defence, while those examples show nothing is impossible, they are still Cinderella stories. Juventus should have done better than go

out of the group stages this season. Their performance did not reflect the team's true worth, but nor should they be expected or feel entitled to win

the Champions League. This is all Conte is saying.

Juventus have reached seven finals in the competition's 59-year history. They have won it "only" twice. That the Old Lady hasn't triumphed more in

Europe is perhaps in part down to sometimes not being on good terms with Lady Luck -- a suggestion that many will inevitably laugh at given their

reputation as Gobbi or hunchbacks, a figure of fortune in Italian folklore. But it may also have something to do with their mentality.

Juventus have nearly always prioritised the league. It's one of the reasons why even with two titles revoked after Calciopoli, they still have far more

Scudetti than Milan and Inter (30 to 18 each). Just think of Carlo Ancelotti. He was thought of as a failure at Juventus. "A pig can’t coach," read the

banner at the old Delle Alpi. How had they arrived at that conclusion? Because he couldn't deliver the Serie A title. In fact, over the course of an 18-

year career of working at the highest level, he has won the league only three times -- Milan in 2004, Chelsea in 2010 and Paris Saint-Germain in 2013.

And yet to many (and justifiably so) he is a success, one of the managerial greats because he has won the Champions League twice and will

compete in his fourth final as a coach this season. Those continental achievements eclipse domestic disappointments. Reflecting on that, it begs

the question: Do Juventus need to change their outlook? Arrigo Sacchi believes they do.

"In Juventus' history there are a lot of Scudetti but in the European record books you almost can't find her," he told La Stampa.

"It's like Emilio Butragueno once said to me: 'Your Milan ruined my Real Madrid generation. We won La Liga and the Copa del Rey five times, but

never the European Cup. So no one outside of Spain remembers us.'"



Arrigo Sacchi notably focused on European glory at the expense of domestic success. Could Conte ever do the same with Juve?

To an extent, Sacchi chose to neglect Serie A in order to chase greater glory. "I remember that with Milan we prepared for a month for the encounter

with Real. In the meantime we lost in the league to Cremonese and Ascoli, but we knocked Real out." It was worth it.

Would Conte contemplate doing the same? Would Juventus accept it? I think these are some of the reassurances he'll be seeking when he meets

the club's hierarchy in the coming days. Juve president Andrea Agnelli wishes to extend his contract beyond 2015. Before committing, Conte

presumably wants to know what's expected of him now and how the club is orienting its recruitment strategy for the summer. It seems that vast

amounts won't be spent.

Juventus have reached a ceiling as to how much revenue they can make at least until their other investments begin to come good and new TV and

sponsorship deals come into effect. Costs have risen and so the money they have to restructure the team in such a way that next season it can

maybe play 4-3-3 isn't substantial in comparison with other Champions League hopefuls.

As such, Conte will have to make the decision. Does he still have the energy to push this team on? Do the club have the means to help him take

things to the next level? Are they willing to put Europe first and Serie A second? Or is it maybe time to move on?

We'll find out soon.
 

Papi-a

Senior Member
May 9, 2006
681
I will kill myself if we appoint mancini! He is useles! As one pointed out - one thing is to loose Conte, i think there are some interessting choices arround , but if we get people like Mancini og Spalletti than we have no ambition!!

- Klopp , DD and the only italian i can accept is Montella! Even if I prefer Conte!
 

mukumsplau

Senior Member
Jul 9, 2008
4,443
cant be a top club anywhere and not impose your game on your opponent..what will be top of?...hav them on the backfoot..let them modify their pre game and during the game tactics etc...ppl on here saying we concede posession as tactics...bullshit...i rather it be that we plain and simple couldnt than that was a directive from the coach...he sees shit going on and you would think he attempts to fix it but no..one match bonucci was basically doing aerodynamic testing for the ball manufacturer..about 100 long balls each with the same fucking outcome

anyway i am gonna enjoy the europa final...should be very entertaining football in our stadium for once
 

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