I went out with Tactical Flo once. After a while, you get tired of her wearing her camo fatigues everywhere and looking out for her hand grenades when you have sex.
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Then I see where you are coming from.
If you dismiss all the tactical variations Juve had used, Juve haven't varied their tactics.
True.
I said straight after the game that I didn't like how Conte set the Juve team up.
But my point was the more general one that I'm sure all these people speaking about controlling the game mean controlling the game with possession.
You can also control the game by retreating and holding the opposition at arm's length. And if you do that properly, it need not require huge amounts of energy.
If you dismiss all the tactical variations Juve had used, Juve haven't varied their tactics.
True.
I said straight after the game that I didn't like how Conte set the Juve team up.
But my point was the more general one that I'm sure all these people speaking about controlling the game mean controlling the game with possession.
You can also control the game by retreating and holding the opposition at arm's length. And if you do that properly, it need not require huge amounts of energy.
The thing is... THIS juve team just doesnt know how to do that. If we dont have possesion...we struggle soooo much. The worst part is that even when on possesion, we cannot press teams like Barca ,real and bayern do...because we lack the players with the offensive arsenal to split defenses apart and bring panic upon our enemies in an instant.
Tevez can do this to an extent.... but all top teams have 2 or 3 of this kind of players. You can keep them at bay for parts in game..but sooner or later one of them will do just one pass or one dribble that will create a clear goalscoring chance. Thats inevitable. So their sole presence foces teams to play extremely conservative.
In our case... enemy teams just need to set up properly on defence , have heavy pressers on midfield and thats it, we are nullified. We cant counter and we dont pose a real treat on possesion. We just rely on luck or to be carried by Vidal, tevez or a miracle free kick from Pirlo
Tevez can do this to an extent.... but all top teams have 2 or 3 of this kind of players. You can keep them at bay for parts in game..but sooner or later one of them will do just one pass or one dribble that will create a clear goalscoring chance. Thats inevitable. So their sole presence foces teams to play extremely conservative.
In our case... enemy teams just need to set up properly on defence , have heavy pressers on midfield and thats it, we are nullified. We cant counter and we dont pose a real treat on possesion. We just rely on luck or to be carried by Vidal, tevez or a miracle free kick from Pirlo
That's one thing I would put down to the 3-5-2.
It ends up being 5-3-2 and you end up with the defence going too deep (Mazzarri's Napoli were a classic example of that) and it leaves the midfield with a lot of space to cover, unless the forwards then drop back as well, but then you are likely to get stuck back there and you certainly aren't going to threaten on the break.
Alan was speaking last night about a lack of creativity from Juve and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with what he said.
However, I'm more inclined towards having some pace and a player who can pretty consistently beat an opponent one-on-one.
Really good sides are likely to have both those things.
Juve don't really have either.
Neither of them are things that can be easily integrated into 3-5-2 as well as having Tevez.
I think that was true last season.
Now, when Juve are in decent shape, Tevez and Llorente give them the option to play a more direct game to beat the oppositions pressing.
That then leaves the oppoenent with a decision to make as to whether to keep pressing and leaving Juve's forwards with more space or to ease off on the pressing, which leaves Juve free to play they game the way they prefer to.
That's just silly.
Not only do Juve have other players capable of contributing, I never understand why people complain at a team's reliance on its key players.
They are key players - of course Juve rely on them.
Are you going to criticise Barca for having been reliant on Messi, Iniesta and Xavi to consistently produce good performances?
It ends up being 5-3-2 and you end up with the defence going too deep (Mazzarri's Napoli were a classic example of that) and it leaves the midfield with a lot of space to cover, unless the forwards then drop back as well, but then you are likely to get stuck back there and you certainly aren't going to threaten on the break.
Alan was speaking last night about a lack of creativity from Juve and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with what he said.
However, I'm more inclined towards having some pace and a player who can pretty consistently beat an opponent one-on-one.
Really good sides are likely to have both those things.
Juve don't really have either.
Neither of them are things that can be easily integrated into 3-5-2 as well as having Tevez.
I think that was true last season.
Now, when Juve are in decent shape, Tevez and Llorente give them the option to play a more direct game to beat the oppositions pressing.
That then leaves the oppoenent with a decision to make as to whether to keep pressing and leaving Juve's forwards with more space or to ease off on the pressing, which leaves Juve free to play they game the way they prefer to.
That's just silly.
Not only do Juve have other players capable of contributing, I never understand why people complain at a team's reliance on its key players.
They are key players - of course Juve rely on them.
Are you going to criticise Barca for having been reliant on Messi, Iniesta and Xavi to consistently produce good performances?
No I don't think that at all.
Even when we decide to defend, our passing becomes shambolic and we're inept at counter-attacks. If you want to defend, you need to at least have a way of scoring, that is, through things like counters. Our counters are worse than even the provincial teams.
It's not about possession, but it's about controlling the game in any way we like. It's about scoring a heap of goals every now and then.
This season we've rarely dominated whether it be possession, selective strikes or other. We've hardly hassled and hussled a team out of a match. How many times did we score more than 1 or 2 goals a game? Not many. The crazy thing is we managed more wins than any other season, but you always felt there was something missing in the team. When we decide to defend, we struggle even against a 10 man mid-table side.
Even when we decide to defend, our passing becomes shambolic and we're inept at counter-attacks. If you want to defend, you need to at least have a way of scoring, that is, through things like counters. Our counters are worse than even the provincial teams.
It's not about possession, but it's about controlling the game in any way we like. It's about scoring a heap of goals every now and then.
This season we've rarely dominated whether it be possession, selective strikes or other. We've hardly hassled and hussled a team out of a match. How many times did we score more than 1 or 2 goals a game? Not many. The crazy thing is we managed more wins than any other season, but you always felt there was something missing in the team. When we decide to defend, we struggle even against a 10 man mid-table side.