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PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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The point Buck is trying to make here is that we know next to nothing, and therefore shouldn't jump to conclusions of him being completely innocent. While the only evidence revealed to the public is Carrobio's words, who knows what else is there!

There's no doubt that we all WANT Conte to be innocent in all this. But to state with absolute certainty that Conte is innocent and behave in the same way is just stupid.
No the point is I believe in the term, innocent until proven guilty, simple as that.
 

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Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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No the point is I believe in the term, innocent until proven guilty, simple as that.
But that doesn't mean you should write off all possibility of guilt, like people here are doing. I agree that innocent til proven guilty is the way to go, and should be in this figc court.
 

Fake Melo

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Sep 3, 2010
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Conte lawyers attack Carobbio
By Football Italia staff

Antonio Conte’s lawyers have begun their defence as the Juventus Coach goes to a full trial, risking a 15-month ban, in the betting scandal due to his time at Siena.

Conte was charged with failing to report an attempted fix to the authorities, but the only evidence against him is the testimony of 'pentito’ (someone who has confessed and receives a large discount on his punishment by naming other names) Filippo Carobbio.

The testimony is based around a team meeting in which Conte allegedly stated there were 'agreed’ results against Novara and Albinoleffe. However, 23 other players present at the same meeting testified he never said that.

“There is no evidence,” said lawyer Antonio De Rensis. “There is one person’s word against another. No intercepted phone calls, no evidence, no passage of money, nothing.

“I am not here to tell you Carobbio is not credible. I am here to tell you Carobbio is not the only credible one. When we are faced with an accusation and no other evidence aside from that, we have to look at the testimony very carefully.

“When Carobbio was interrogated on January 19, he did not mention Conte, nor did he remember any of his involvement. He only 'remembered’ on February 29 when testifying before the federal court.

“His accusation is counter to Conte’s history and the 20-month-ban Carobbio got in a plea bargain proves he had interest in dragging others into it.

“The court says Carobbio is credible and Carlo Gervasoni is credible, but one says black and the other white when describing the same thing.

“Carobbio lied about other aspects of the affair, claiming he had no more contact with the betting syndicate although he was shown to have made a series of phone calls using an Egyptian SIM card. So why are you so eager to believe him?

“There were enormous contradictions and admitting would mean you forfeiting the trial. This is not justice, but a pure battle. Carobbio’s testimony on July 10 is a banana skin and the silence speaks volumes. He was not asked about the phone calls. It would’ve been the first thing I’d have asked him.”

The lawyer also made it clear the plea bargain of three months and a €200,000 fine “was agreed with the understanding it did not represent an admission of guilt in any way.”

Many in Italy accept plea bargains in order to avoid a lengthy trial and potentially much longer bans, as one is essentially guilty until proven innocent.

Meanwhile, prosecutor Stefano Palazzi explained why he requested a 15-month ban for Conte and took Carobbio’s word over those of the other 23 players at the team meeting.

“We considered those testimonies to be irrelevant, even if they contrast what was previously said about Albinoleffe-Siena.

“The declarations of those present at the Siena team meeting are not credible, because otherwise they’d be charged with failing to report sporting fraud. Therefore they cannot be used in the trial.”

Many of Conte’s supporters have pointed out if the 23 players were lying about the meeting, then why have they not also been charged with failing to report an attempted fix to the authorities?

The trial continues and a decision is expected next week.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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But that doesn't mean you should write off all possibility of guilt, like people here are doing. I agree that innocent til proven guilty is the way to go, and should be in this figc court.
As long as you agree on the main part here that is his innocent til proven guilty, its all good.
 

mondo1

Senior Member
May 14, 2006
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“The declarations of those present at the Siena team meeting are not credible, because otherwise they’d be charged with failing to report sporting fraud. Therefore they cannot be used in the trial.”

Many of Conte’s supporters have pointed out if the 23 players were lying about the meeting, then why have they not also been charged with failing to report an attempted fix to the authorities?

The trial continues and a decision is expected next week.



Thats a pretty good point... When carobbio didn't lie then why are Not all siena players accused of Not reporting?
 
Jul 1, 2010
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“The declarations of those present at the Siena team meeting are not credible, because otherwise they’d be charged with failing to report sporting fraud. Therefore they cannot be used in the trial.”

Many of Conte’s supporters have pointed out if the 23 players were lying about the meeting, then why have they not also been charged with failing to report an attempted fix to the authorities?

The trial continues and a decision is expected next week.



Thats a pretty good point... When carobbio didn't lie then why are Not all siena players accused of Not reporting?
Exactly.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
“The declarations of those present at the Siena team meeting are not credible, because otherwise they’d be charged with failing to report sporting fraud. Therefore they cannot be used in the trial.”

Many of Conte’s supporters have pointed out if the 23 players were lying about the meeting, then why have they not also been charged with failing to report an attempted fix to the authorities?

The trial continues and a decision is expected next week.



Thats a pretty good point... When carobbio didn't lie then why are Not all siena players accused of Not reporting?
So if they believe this 1 guy so easily, why aren't they charging the other 23 players/coaches who "didn't report" what Conte "apparently said"? Why are they targeting Conte when they were all part of the same team meeting?

:shifty:
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Good statement, that.

Regardless of whether Conte is actually guilty or not, there's no way Conte could be found guilty in a proper court on the basis of the evidence I've seen/heard so far.
Exactly.

All these players were in the same damn meeting yet Conte is the only one guilty? That makes no sense at all and should be thrown out.
 

mondo1

Senior Member
May 14, 2006
11,426
Good statement, that.

Regardless of whether Conte is actually guilty or not, there's no way Conte could be found guilty in a proper court on the basis of the evidence I've seen/heard so far.

Proper court lol we are talking about italy ;) and even if it could take over a Year or so
 

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