Antonio Conte (272 Viewers)

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GrandePavel

Pavel The Czech Warrior
Aug 5, 2008
614
Conte has a never say die attitude and will defend himself all the way, and Juventus will back him all the way.
If Conte was a manager in England (like Harry Redknapp and his tax evasion), he would be facing no charges at all. Sadly in Italy they invent charges as they go along.
 

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nemnem

Junior Member
Jan 21, 2012
133
That system really sucks... "he had to know"... so if you where once for some years the Roommate of Ted Bundy you would be charged for murder?
So there isn't any "benefit of the doubt" in Italy?
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
That system really sucks... "he had to know"... so if you where once for some years the Roommate of Ted Bundy you would be charged for murder?
So there isn't any "benefit of the doubt" in Italy?
Spot on. This is beyond absurd.

I've read the main part of the sentence "motivations"(explanation) just publisehd in gazzetta. I don't speak Italian, but as I speak Portuguese I have a good idea of it. The sentence was based in 2 grounds:

1 - Stellini. Stellini used to be Conte's left arm, while Carrera is his right arm. Stellini confessed to have taken part in the bet deal involving one or two of those games. BUT HE NEVER ACUSED CONTE. THE JUDGE SIMPLY ASSUMED CONTE KNEW ALL OF THAT SHIT, because a very important man of his staff and man of hist trust knew and took part of it.

2 - Carobbio. The judge said Carobbio could not be deemed as a pathologic liar, but as someone not completely trustable. Which doesn't mean none of his words have value. The judge says that Carobbio accused Conte when he was already free and didn't depend on it to get rid of the accusation. That people's words should be doubted when they have their freedom endangered and have to lie to scape prison, and that's not that case. So the judge didn't see a reason not to trust Carobbio's words, since he didn't have a reason to lie.

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Now, my opinion. I'm a lawyer in Brazil. I can tell u that the criminal justice (even though this is not properly criminal justice, but the principles are definitely used) in every democratic country is based on 2 principles:

1 - Assumption of inocence - you can only be considered guilty after the sentence

2 - Benefit of doubt - someone can only be condemned when the judge is COMPLETELY SURE AND CERTAIN of guilty. With you have doubts, you can't condemn someone. It's better to let a guilty man free than send an innocent man to jail. In other words, YOU DON'T ASSUME ANY GUILTY. The only thing you assume is innocence. You need substantial evidence to prove guilty. If you don't have it, and you have doubts - you don't condemn. Assumption of innocence.


This is why this sentence is beyond absurd. The judge expressed, with his own words, that based on Stellini's confession, he assumed that Conte was involved or at least knew what was going on.

And now CONI's president tell Juve to shut up.

This is just ridiculous.
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,870
This part:

I tell you frankly, now after this event, I’m starting to be afraid to go in the locker room, the place where I have to be a leader, and… I don’t know, maybe pick a fight with a player! I’m fearful of maybe sending a player in the stands for the match, because tomorrow what? One goes mad, he gets up, starts to “report”… and this is what “justice” today has proven. Justice today has demonstrated that a person who for three and a half years sold matches, sold himself, his family, and his teammates, is believed to be telling the truth. So I’m afraid. I’m scared. Or maybe I should put a television camera on my forehead, and everywhere I go I’ll have the TV camera, so that 24 hours a day I’ll record what happens to me. Otherwise one has no choice but to be afraid.

I’ll say one more thing to my colleagues and players: today this happened to me and many others. Tomorrow it can happen to THEM! Don’t bury your heads in the sand and say “whatever, it’s happened to him” or “it happened to them, the others who have been charged.” It can happen to anyone! Open your eyes!

Thank you.


Antonio Conte.
Manager Juventus F.C.



BOOM!
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
This is so fucking late, we should've changed the public opinion on this long before the decisions in court was made, you don't fight the pigs like a gentleman..
 

Fint

Senior Member
Aug 13, 2010
19,354
Not sure if posted already:

La Repubblica (not a sport news site) reports that FIGC Chief Prosecutor Stefano Palazzi, architect of the Calcioscommesse and Calciopoli trials, may offer his resignation. The newspaper notes that few within the FIGC (including President Giancarlo Abete) have defended Palazzi's actions, that there has been "silence" from those who normally defend him. Only CONI President Petrucci (Italian Olympic Committee, separate from the FIGC) has offered support to Palazzi.

The FIGC is reportedly upset with his failed prosecutions, his plea deals, and the negative outlook on the FIGC judicial system. It cites outstanding cases that have not been resolved (the Genoa-Lazio shirt incident, Juve's verbal attacks on the FIGC, and Napoli abandoning the Supercoppa ceremony)

The writer states that Palazzi does not want to resign, that he wants to stay in his position, but it may be untenable.


:boh:
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,702
Not sure if posted already:

La Repubblica (not a sport news site) reports that FIGC Chief Prosecutor Stefano Palazzi, architect of the Calcioscommesse and Calciopoli trials, may offer his resignation. The newspaper notes that few within the FIGC (including President Giancarlo Abete) have defended Palazzi's actions, that there has been "silence" from those who normally defend him. Only CONI President Petrucci (Italian Olympic Committee, separate from the FIGC) has offered support to Palazzi.

The FIGC is reportedly upset with his failed prosecutions, his plea deals, and the negative outlook on the FIGC judicial system. It cites outstanding cases that have not been resolved (the Genoa-Lazio shirt incident, Juve's verbal attacks on the FIGC, and Napoli abandoning the Supercoppa ceremony)

The writer states that Palazzi does not want to resign, that he wants to stay in his position, but it may be untenable.


:boh:
:lol:

This is exactly why appeals isn't going to work. Even CONI has offered support to Palazzi.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
i feel the problem so far is that conte is on the defensive. these figc retards and carobbio peasant feel no pressure because the heat is not on them.

now a a few lawsuits on the other hand will bring much need heat on them. that's the only you will put them under pressure. sue them until infinity. the juve lawyers are getting paid regardless of what they do, but the figc and carrobbio laywers arent
 

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