Antonio Conte (154 Viewers)

[ravipiero]

Probably the stupidiest post I have seen on this forum regarding football matters.

You've never read back your own post then.

If we sell Pogba and Vidal our team will collapse as a house of cards... that and we won't be able to buy 11 good players with that money... everyone will know we have money to spend so every player will double in price (a la tottenham... 40M for soldado ffs)

We've done that with zidane & inzaghi, and able to get buffon, thuram, nedved, & salas. Anyway my point is that with this method, conte will get more freedom and option to build his own squad, and selling vidal or pogba is only example. We can't afford to spend hundred of million for one season alone.

And also a new cycle means revolution. It is what Milan did after the 11/12 season (and failed). Replacing weak player with a better one is what every team in this planet try to do, and that doesn't mean creating a new cycle.

 

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[samfisher5]

got smashed with 2-0 by an unplayable Bayern

Unplayable according to who? Antonio Conte? Because as far as I can remember, they were aboslutely destroyed by Real M recently, barely got past Arsenal last year, were lucky to win the final against Dortmund etc. What exactly makes Bayern unbeatable? Conte's incompetence as a coach. If you remember, before the first match in Germany most specialists expected a very close game and noone though that Bayern would outplay us so badly.

Why are you all excusing Conte's obvious mistakes, cowardness in Europe and tactical incompetence? Do you know how strong the Juve team of 96/97 was? It was probably the best football team in history. So how were Hitzfeld's Dortmund able to beat ii in the final? The gap in quality between the two sides was a lot greater than it was between Bayern and Juve last year. And please don't talk about luck.

 

[petersmit]

You've never read back your own post then.



We've done that with zidane & inzaghi, and able to get buffon, thuram, nedved, & salas. Anyway my point is that with this method, conte will get more freedom and option to build his own squad, and selling vidal or pogba is only example. We can't afford to spend hundred of million for one season alone.

And also a new cycle means revolution. It is what Milan did after the 11/12 season (and failed). Replacing weak player with a better one is what every team in this planet try to do, and that doesn't mean creating a new cycle.

Yeah... but then the Italian league was way better than it is now... those players came from within the league.. 3 went on to become good and 1 failed...

apart from Vidal and Pogba, we don't have that many players that we can sell for big bucks.. and big bucks are needed when you want to buy lots of players (thats what conte wanted, right?)

IMO we should just invest 50M or something like that... plus some sales we could buy 3 wingers and be able to switch formations from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.. we won't be predictable and are capable of playing on the counter (faster wingers)

 

[kao_ray]

Unplayable according to who? Antonio Conte? Because as far as I can remember, they were aboslutely destroyed by Real M recently, barely got past Arsenal last year, were lucky to win the final against Dortmund etc. What exactly makes Bayern unbeatable? Conte's incompetence as a coach. If you remember, before the first match in Germany most specialists expected a very close game and noone though that Bayern would outplay us so badly.

Why are you all excusing Conte's obvious mistakes, cowardness in Europe and tactical incompetence? Do you know how strong the Juve team of 96/97 was? It was probably the best football team in history. So how were Hitzfeld's Dortmund able to beat ii in the final? The gap in quality between the two sides was a lot greater than it was between Bayern and Juve last year. And please don't talk about luck.

What I'm getting from your well tempered view is:

1. Lippi is worse than Hitzfeld cause of CL 96/97 final.
2. We shouldn't talk about luck (according to you) but you are talking about Bayern's luck to get in the final last year.
3. You obviously think that we can compare the creativity flow from Asamoah and Lichtsteiner with players like Robben, Ribery and etc.

 

[Vlad]

Complete meltdown on this thread. I really hope Conte stays, he's our legend and we won't find anyone better for the time being, but more and more it seems less likely.

I've read few comments that Conte is doing this for Juventus, that he's forcing the mgt to play by his rules because he only cares about the club, while Agnelli is the villain here. That made me laugh, no disrespect to whoever wrote that, but that's a logic of a 12 yo.

First of all players and coaches are professionals and they care mostly about themselves. There's certain degree of loyalty, but ulterior motive is almost always present and when millions are involved, various calculations start to take place. This team indeed has reached its limit, and for further progress we'll need investments, obviously, but I'd argue in what quantity as complete overhaul IMHO is not necessary and that's where the dispute arises between these two.

Conte realized all this probably last year and expressed his doubts around the same time, many will remember very similar interview that he gave, but less dramatic and it all ended with him and AA shaking hands a few days after. Probably even back then some things remained unsettled and now have resurfaced again when the season has almost ended. Nonetheless his way of thinking is very simple; he can stay here for one more year and try to win the league with players that will be provided and have a decent run in the CL, but there's a big risk of complacency as some players might be little harder to motivate, especially older ones, therefore counting on these to give 100% effort week in, week out could be extremely difficult task, even for a great motivator like Conte and that's his best skill IMHO. One trophyless campaign might change his status here, fans in Italy, brainwashed by the media, could start to doubt his qualities and question whether he's still right man for the job. At that point his situation would be complicated, as not many top European clubs would be willing to hire him, if any and right now he is sought. Time will tell I guess, but I hope it gets resolved quickly as it's becoming tiresome to read various headlines in Italy with the likes of Mancinis, Spalletis, Allegris...

 

[samfisher5]

What I'm getting from your well tempered view is:

1. Lippi is worse than Hitzfeld cause of CL 96/97 final.
2. We shouldn't talk about luck (according to you) but you are talking about Bayern's luck to get in the final last year.
3. You obviously think that we can compare the creativity flow from Asamoah and Lichtsteiner with players like Robben, Ribery and etc.

No, what you don't get is that a team that has less quality on paper can beat a stronger opponent by empoying the right tactics and fighting like a lion on the field (as opposed to acting like a coward in the media and saying that your team has no chance). That's how Dortmund caused one of the greatest upsets in history and as a result the whole club grew to what you know it as of today. Why didn't Dortmund just surrender before the match as Juve were a lot stronger?

Basically, Dortmund had a brilliant coach, that's what I am saying.

 

[ZoSo]

Only acceptable realistic/half realistic options....

Prandelli
Deschamps
Montella

 

[samfisher5]

we won't find anyone better for the time being,

classic example of the delusion among Juve fans

 

[kao_ray]

No, what you don't get is that a team that has less quality on paper can beat a stronger opponent by empoying the right tactics and fighting like a lion on the field (as opposed to acting like a coward in the media and saying that your team has no chance). That's how Dortmund caused one of the greatest upsets in history and as a result the whole club grew to what you know it as of today. Why didn't Dortmund just surrender before the match as Juve were a lot stronger?

Basically, Dortmund had a brilliant coach, that's what I am saying.

Yeah, so Lippi was simply outplayed by Dortmund and next year by Real Madrid. We can't talk about luck (as you say) and obviously after 2002/2003 CL final it's a safe bet to say that Ancelotti is better than Lippi.

 

[Mister]

Ciro Ferrara "I do not believe Conte will leave, In my opinion, he will not, Juve will find an agreement & Antonio will remain another year. Juve's future with Zidane? Zidane's characteristics are much different than Conte's, I repeat, don't think Conte will leave"

 

[icemaη]

Complete meltdown on this thread. I really hope Conte stays, he's our legend and we won't find anyone better for the time being, but more and more it seems less likely.

I've read few comments that Conte is doing this for Juventus, that he's forcing the mgt to play by his rules because he only cares about the club, while Agnelli is the villain here. That made me laugh, no disrespect to whoever wrote that, but that's a logic of a 12 yo.

First of all players and coaches are professionals and they care mostly about themselves. There's certain degree of loyalty, but ulterior motive is almost always present and when millions are involved, various calculations start to take place. This team indeed has reached its limit, and for further progress we'll need investments, obviously, but I'd argue in what quantity as complete overhaul IMHO is not necessary and that's where the dispute arises between these two.

Conte realized all this probably last year and expressed his doubts around the same time, many will remember very similar interview that he gave, but less dramatic and it all ended with him and AA shaking hands a few days after. Probably even back then some things remained unsettled and now have resurfaced again when the season has almost ended. Nonetheless his way of thinking is very simple; he can stay here for one more year and try to win the league with players that will be provided and have a decent run in the CL, but there's a big risk of complacency as some players might be little harder to motivate, especially older ones, therefore counting on these to give 100% effort week in, week out could be extremely difficult task, even for a great motivator like Conte and that's his best skill IMHO. One trophyless campaign might change his status here, fans in Italy, brainwashed by the media, could start to doubt his qualities and question whether he's still right man for the job. At that point his situation would be complicated, as not many top European clubs would be willing to hire him, if any and right now he is sought. Time will tell I guess, but I hope it gets resolved quickly as it's becoming tiresome to read various headlines in Italy with the likes of Mancinis, Spalletis, Allegris...

 

[ravipiero]

Unplayable according to who? Antonio Conte? Because as far as I can remember, they were aboslutely destroyed by Real M recently, barely got past Arsenal last year, were lucky to win the final against Dortmund etc. What exactly makes Bayern unbeatable? Conte's incompetence as a coach. If you remember, before the first match in Germany most specialists expected a very close game and noone though that Bayern would outplay us so badly.

Why are you all excusing Conte's obvious mistakes, cowardness in Europe and tactical incompetence? Do you know how strong the Juve team of 96/97 was? It was probably the best football team in history. So how were Hitzfeld's Dortmund able to beat ii in the final? The gap in quality between the two sides was a lot greater than it was between Bayern and Juve last year. And please don't talk about luck.

Yeah, and I also blame conte for alaba's (not lucky) deflected goal in the opening minutes of the first leg. Damn stupid conte!

Yeah... but then the Italian league was way better than it is now... those players came from within the league.. 3 went on to become good and 1 failed...

apart from Vidal and Pogba, we don't have that many players that we can sell for big bucks.. and big bucks are needed when you want to buy lots of players (thats what conte wanted, right?)

IMO we should just invest 50M or something like that... plus some sales we could buy 3 wingers and be able to switch formations from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.. we won't be predictable and are capable of playing on the counter (faster wingers)

Isn't selling a key player in a weak league is safer than on a strong one?

Again I'm not suggesting juve to sell both pogba and vidal for cash. My point is just about giving conte more space and power like BPL manager. The same position that gives Mourinho authority to sell Mata, the team best player for 2 consecutive season.

Sell key player -> more transfer budget
Keep key player -> limited transfer budget

Any options will have trade-off and Conte should think it carefully.

Spending hundred million on big name without any income is not wise for current situation. It will also increase our wage budget, and make our financial unhealthy.

 

[samfisher5]

Yeah, so Lippi was simply outplayed by Dortmund and next year by Real Madrid. We can't talk about luck (as you say) and obviously after 2002/2003 CL final it's a safe bet to say that Ancelotti is better than Lippi.

Yeah, and I also blame conte for alaba's (not lucky) deflected goal in the opening minutes of the first leg. Damn stupid conte

 

[j0ker]

Samfisher taking retardation to a new level.

 

[Vlad]

Samfisher taking retardation to a new level.

He's certainly not to be taken seriously. Another one of those special members whom are better to observe and not to enter any discussions with.

 

[samfisher5]

He's certainly not to be taken seriously.

coming from you.

 

[oldlady87]

Where is Rakib?

 

[Cheesio]

Love Conte, but he's being hypocrite about this situation, he admitted several times that this Club can't sign players for +30mil, and we aren't financially competitif, but he's threatning to leave if the Club doesn't meet his demands, he has one of the best squads in Europe, can't get through the first round and humilated at home against benefica, whatever way he tries to pin it, it was on him. He needs to see ATM, Dortmund and other examples and how coaches are flexible and creative with the player he got, he moaned all years that he can't play the 4-3-3 because he doesn't have wingers, but he tried Marchisio there against Madrid and we played one of our best games this season, and yet he didn't try it again, the failure in europe this season was definetely on him, he should shut up, take the blame and try to imrpove not moan every day to the press... If he think that he can't take this team any far, i'll be glad if ge leaves, because altough Conte is in the right path to be a freat coach, i believe to that we have a very strong team with a couple of additions this summer, we'll be even stronger and a decent coach could replicate our achievement this season ( Serie A, SUpercoppa ) .

 

[clapton]

Hitzfeld?

 

[JuveJay]

Like DP84 says, he's probably worried about how he can even maintain with this squad, let alone top it. He's getting a lot out of the squad.

Surely he has to allow himself another season with a couple of players who allow tactical flexibility (i.e. wingers/wide attackers).