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I am peasant. You are dacdically deficient and don't understand dad der team doesn't have the right tools to play such said formation.
I am going to go ventilate now.
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I am peasant. You are dacdically deficient and don't understand dad der team doesn't have the right tools to play such said formation.
I am going to go ventilate now.
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I feel like Conte is trying really hard to keep a formation that suits Pirlo. 4-3-3 is not the best for us right now IMO. I would prefer a 4-1-2-1-2 but the 2 mids in front of Pirlo would often be combining with fullbacks and drifting wider, therefore exposing Pirlo.
I don't think Conte wants to change from having a midfielder tucked in on both sides of Pirlo so he goes 4-3-3 even if he has to put Marchisio as a right winger FFS.
Remember we tried Pirlo with only one midfielder beside him way back when we got him, then switched to 4-3-3, then finally 3-5-2, both formations that insulate Pirlo much better.
To me, something like this is much better than 4-3-3 with Marchisio and Tevez out wide:
There are much lighter outfits around Europe. Vidal-Pogba-Asamoah/Marchisio has enough steel to make up for 3 attackers. We just have to put our most athletic and skilled players on the field at this point. No room for passengers.
One other thing:
Our pressing is completely gone. But if you're Vidal or Marchisio and you want to move out of midfield to press a player in possession, it's so hard to get yourself to do it because you know the man behind you, Pirlo, will not be there to back you up because he's just past it physically. And even if he's there 1 or 2 or 3 times, he won't be there the 4th time in the 85th minute and that's when you get fucked. It's so hard to press as a team with such a weak link in front of the defence, you can get caught out so easily. You need 11 players pressing.
We have to adapt a bit more to European football.
I don't think Conte wants to change from having a midfielder tucked in on both sides of Pirlo so he goes 4-3-3 even if he has to put Marchisio as a right winger FFS.
Remember we tried Pirlo with only one midfielder beside him way back when we got him, then switched to 4-3-3, then finally 3-5-2, both formations that insulate Pirlo much better.
To me, something like this is much better than 4-3-3 with Marchisio and Tevez out wide:
------------Caceres/Licht-Barzagli-Chiellini-Asamoah/Peluso/Ogbonna
Pogba
----------Vidal---------------Asamoah/Marchisio
Tevez
Llorente/Quag------Vucinic
Pogba
----------Vidal---------------Asamoah/Marchisio
Tevez
Llorente/Quag------Vucinic
There are much lighter outfits around Europe. Vidal-Pogba-Asamoah/Marchisio has enough steel to make up for 3 attackers. We just have to put our most athletic and skilled players on the field at this point. No room for passengers.
One other thing:
Our pressing is completely gone. But if you're Vidal or Marchisio and you want to move out of midfield to press a player in possession, it's so hard to get yourself to do it because you know the man behind you, Pirlo, will not be there to back you up because he's just past it physically. And even if he's there 1 or 2 or 3 times, he won't be there the 4th time in the 85th minute and that's when you get fucked. It's so hard to press as a team with such a weak link in front of the defence, you can get caught out so easily. You need 11 players pressing.
We have to adapt a bit more to European football.
+Rep I don't think we need to ditch the 3-5-2 in Serie A, simply because it has served us well, and that the main reason it isn't working now is due to physical and psychological factors, and not an actual problem with the formation itself. We are lacking that hunger, that cutting edge, and laboring to wins in most games. We lack the hallmark that typified the Juve of the past two seasons; pressing, pressing, and pressing.
In Europe, we definitely need to adjust and adapt as there area lot of strong teams.
Well, to me, he's the most logical replacement for Pirlo. I think Vidal could do it to but you are wasting his box-to-box energy and also his passing can sometimes be erratic. But Pogba wouldn't be playing like Pirlo anyways, as he has the ability to actually move up field with *the team*. Key words there. He won't act as an anchor way back in front of the defence.
When you want to counter, he can actually counter, he can take one touch and play a pass and *move up*. When the fullbacks are looking to pick a pass, maybe Pogba sheds a defender by moving *across midfield* not backwards. He helps us pressure the opponent better by being more threatening towards goal.
I think Pogba's best defensive work is done centrally, and mostly in midfield. He's great with anticipation and physicality in the air. Higher up the pitch, you need more of the pitbull type who can just impose themselves without the ball like Vidal who you can sometimes see running from player to player.
Also one other thing from Pogba that I really like is his side to side range. For example, Di Maria cutting across our backline would never in a million years be able to go east to west against Pogba, he's like an octopus or something. Even if he has to slide, he's going to force you to take your last touch into some area you don't want to just because of his length and acceleration.
And then again with his physicality and ability to deal with pressure. I think at this point he's comfortable in using his body to take on a pressing player in order to turn and switch play, something Pirlo just cannot do anymore. And add to this his ability to make long passes that Marchisio and Vidal probably can't do with the same regularity. And then of course, his familiarity with the position from his France NT exploits. Seems a logical solution.
Having a DM like Pogba is just a step into the modern game. Of course, if we field our most athletic players, he won't be chained to his position as you could imagine Vidal or Asamoah or even Tevez having the fuel to track back if he marauds up field.
When you want to counter, he can actually counter, he can take one touch and play a pass and *move up*. When the fullbacks are looking to pick a pass, maybe Pogba sheds a defender by moving *across midfield* not backwards. He helps us pressure the opponent better by being more threatening towards goal.
I think Pogba's best defensive work is done centrally, and mostly in midfield. He's great with anticipation and physicality in the air. Higher up the pitch, you need more of the pitbull type who can just impose themselves without the ball like Vidal who you can sometimes see running from player to player.
Also one other thing from Pogba that I really like is his side to side range. For example, Di Maria cutting across our backline would never in a million years be able to go east to west against Pogba, he's like an octopus or something. Even if he has to slide, he's going to force you to take your last touch into some area you don't want to just because of his length and acceleration.
And then again with his physicality and ability to deal with pressure. I think at this point he's comfortable in using his body to take on a pressing player in order to turn and switch play, something Pirlo just cannot do anymore. And add to this his ability to make long passes that Marchisio and Vidal probably can't do with the same regularity. And then of course, his familiarity with the position from his France NT exploits. Seems a logical solution.
Having a DM like Pogba is just a step into the modern game. Of course, if we field our most athletic players, he won't be chained to his position as you could imagine Vidal or Asamoah or even Tevez having the fuel to track back if he marauds up field.
4-3-3 isnt poor, given you got the players for it
In conte's first year, it was the best we could do.
you need to understand how italian coaches see 4-3-3 while the fans here, look at the ajax 4-3-3.
massive, massive diffrence
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I am peasant. You are dacdically deficient and don't understand dad der team doesn't have the right tools to play such said formation.
I am going to go ventilate now.
I get flack because i'm outspoken and not a bandwaggoning maggot.
However, this forum, just loves to bully people.
If badass and me were to leave this place for a year, YOU would be the next in line to get shafted.
But unlike us, it doesnt have multiple reasons. You are just a very annoying piece ** ***.
I mostly get nothing from this forum
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I don't think we need to ditch the 3-5-2 in Serie A, simply because it has served us well, and that the main reason it isn't working now is due to physical and psychological factors, and not an actual problem with the formation itself. We are lacking that hunger, that cutting edge, and laboring to wins in most games. We lack the hallmark that typified the Juve of the past two seasons; pressing, pressing, and pressing.
In Europe, we definitely need to adjust and adapt as there area lot of strong teams.
In conte's first year, it was the best we could do.
you need to understand how italian coaches see 4-3-3 while the fans here, look at the ajax 4-3-3.
massive, massive diffrence
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I am peasant. You are dacdically deficient and don't understand dad der team doesn't have the right tools to play such said formation.
I am going to go ventilate now.
However, this forum, just loves to bully people.
If badass and me were to leave this place for a year, YOU would be the next in line to get shafted.
But unlike us, it doesnt have multiple reasons. You are just a very annoying piece ** ***.
I mostly get nothing from this forum
+Rep I don't think we need to ditch the 3-5-2 in Serie A, simply because it has served us well, and that the main reason it isn't working now is due to physical and psychological factors, and not an actual problem with the formation itself. We are lacking that hunger, that cutting edge, and laboring to wins in most games. We lack the hallmark that typified the Juve of the past two seasons; pressing, pressing, and pressing.
In Europe, we definitely need to adjust and adapt as there area lot of strong teams.
I can't understand why conte is going back to 3-5-2 when he can easily play this lineup and play a much more relaxed and effective style of football which won't make the fullbacks too tired. (probable reason why litchsteiner is injured)
4-3-3
BUFFON
CACERES BARZAGLI CHIELLINI ASAMOAH
VIDAL PIRLO POGBA
GIOVINCO LLORENTE TEVEZ
CACERES BARZAGLI CHIELLINI ASAMOAH
VIDAL PIRLO POGBA
GIOVINCO LLORENTE TEVEZ
4-3-3
Why does juventus need to leave its roots and become a disgustingly attacking team ?
Why cant we stick to our legacy, and remain the team that allways was excellent at killing opponent creativity, but only having limited creatvity ourselves, wich usually came from eighter the flanks, or the central joint ?
Why cant we stick to our legacy, and remain the team that allways was excellent at killing opponent creativity, but only having limited creatvity ourselves, wich usually came from eighter the flanks, or the central joint ?