No, because we can show he has won 8 league titles in 12 years, what can we show for Conte to counteract that he was disastrous with Atalanta? (and not just one game or two like Mourinho).
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If I followed him at some other club and if I knew his personality, yeah. I honestly don't look into 'ex-legend' bar above his head.
Mazzarri achieved shit. Let's not get fooled... he made Napoli look good because of individuals and because some of the great players they have. He plays no different than any other defensive minded Italian coach, it's just that he has Cavani-Lavezi-Hamsik trio, who carry the team and who are not washed up Italians. That guy is Del Neri v2. Conte might be too, I'd avoid him, but if I had to pick I'd rather skip on Mazzarri at all cost as he was always very annoying and I never rated him.
I'm not a Conte fanboy, I'd take DD or some other coach over him any given day.
Mazzarri achieved shit. Let's not get fooled... he made Napoli look good because of individuals and because some of the great players they have. He plays no different than any other defensive minded Italian coach, it's just that he has Cavani-Lavezi-Hamsik trio, who carry the team and who are not washed up Italians. That guy is Del Neri v2. Conte might be too, I'd avoid him, but if I had to pick I'd rather skip on Mazzarri at all cost as he was always very annoying and I never rated him.
I'm not a Conte fanboy, I'd take DD or some other coach over him any given day.
Another thing that goes in Conte's favor is that he has better players than Guardiola inherited from Rijkaard. If Gurdiola could win 6 trophies in one year with the guys Rijkaard left to him, guys like Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Henry, Eto'o, Yaya Toure, Puyol and Abidal, imagine what can Conte do with our superstars!
Decade of mediocrity (Mazzari) is not more than showing promise in your first years as coach, achieving important things and being a legend of the club (and capitano) in the times we were the most important club in the world.
Mazzari has proven that he is mediocre, Conte has shown promise. That plus Juve past makes him a better choice.
Mazzari has proven that he is mediocre, Conte has shown promise. That plus Juve past makes him a better choice.
I do not in any shape or form think favourably of Mazzari at all, but he is an ESTABLISHED Serie A coach, what is Conte? Why is he better if its not about his past as a Juve player? Just because he has no real experience outside Serie B (only experience in A was bad) does not mean he will be better then established Serie A midtable coaches. (You know one can actually do worse??? Thats more common then the reverse, just because his future is unkown doesnt mean one should mainly consider it possibly good one). That is why I consideer Mazzarri, nothing more, but despite his good players who done well for Napoli, he is still the coach who finished in 3rd in Serie A this season, its not entirely his acheivement nor a reason for Juve to hire him, but its an acheivement over a Serie B coach.
Understanding the "Juve mentality" is not enough when the current starting 11 cannot manage to string together 3 passes or hold on to 2 goal leads. It remains to be seen whether Conte is a good enough tactician, as promotion from serie b means very little when coaching a club like Juve.
Not that he was my 1st choice, but in light of the speculation that Conte is 99% going to be our next coach, why has Lippi not been mentioned? If Conte understands what it means to lead Juventus, than the person who coached him certainly does, and he comes with the added bonus of being exponentially more experienced and proven.
Not that he was my 1st choice, but in light of the speculation that Conte is 99% going to be our next coach, why has Lippi not been mentioned? If Conte understands what it means to lead Juventus, than the person who coached him certainly does, and he comes with the added bonus of being exponentially more experienced and proven.
Not that I'm comparing the two, don't get me wrong. But, Mourinho had the chance to show his abilities with a big team like Benfica and Porto early in his career then moved to EPL with the most powerful team financially, Conte was not given that chance. Just because you cannot prove that he'll be a great manager at this stage of his career, you cannot also prove that he'll be shit. I agree with you though, at this stage, Juve better not experiment. It's not the right the time.
PROVEN coaches guarantee as much as the other one - NOTHING, unless you have a good team, which we don't.
Unproven coach can do good. Watch Villas Boas. What did he win? And top clubs will still chase him you know... it was only one year at Porto. If you follow that logic then you wouldn't want him here. You think like 95% of Italians and base everything on success even if that success happened 5-6 years ago. Moggi thinks like that too, and it's freaking stupid.
Would you take Boas? I assume yes. Then stop relying on that theory.
Unproven coach can do good. Watch Villas Boas. What did he win? And top clubs will still chase him you know... it was only one year at Porto. If you follow that logic then you wouldn't want him here. You think like 95% of Italians and base everything on success even if that success happened 5-6 years ago. Moggi thinks like that too, and it's freaking stupid.
Would you take Boas? I assume yes. Then stop relying on that theory.
You DO NOT get it, what I'm arguing for is not to hire Mazzari and other coaches who has done more then in Serie A, but the fact that WHY IS HE CONSIDERED BETTER, when he has was bad in his only stint in Serie A, and only coached B since? Why? Why do you want to hire him above them, not that we should hire him, but why him when has squat to show for?
We should NOT gamble on him under any circusmtances, period. I would hired him if he showed competence like Villas Boas has (not once did I mention I want that experience of midtable mediocrity, as my opinions of Ranieri and even more on Del Neri would show), One season or not, Villas Boas has, has Conte??
I'm only against being blinded by his Juve past as a player. Its more ridicolous when we already gone through it with Ferrara. So many of you inventing positive reasons, or saying I dont know why, but I feel positive about Conte (its DANGEROUS mindset, because its what gives our management the excuse to hire him, fans being ok with it, or FOR it, its idiotic, and prime reasons why fans shouldnt have zip influence in such decisions). You DO know why, its because he is a Juve legend, é basta
If it wasnt true, you would be interested in hiring the coach who has the nr 1 Serie B team too, not just the nr 2 one.
We should NOT gamble on him under any circusmtances, period. I would hired him if he showed competence like Villas Boas has (not once did I mention I want that experience of midtable mediocrity, as my opinions of Ranieri and even more on Del Neri would show), One season or not, Villas Boas has, has Conte??
I'm only against being blinded by his Juve past as a player. Its more ridicolous when we already gone through it with Ferrara. So many of you inventing positive reasons, or saying I dont know why, but I feel positive about Conte (its DANGEROUS mindset, because its what gives our management the excuse to hire him, fans being ok with it, or FOR it, its idiotic, and prime reasons why fans shouldnt have zip influence in such decisions). You DO know why, its because he is a Juve legend, é basta
If it wasnt true, you would be interested in hiring the coach who has the nr 1 Serie B team too, not just the nr 2 one.
If there was any need for it, last weekend confirmed that this Juventus side was born under an unlucky star and there is no way they can redeem themselves. On a day which could have incredibly brought them back to Europe thanks to Roma’s defeat in Catania, the Bianconeri offered yet another embarrassing performance at the Stadio Tardini. Sebastian Giovinco’s goal underlined many things that have gone wrong at this club over the past few seasons.
It is beyond dispute that the faults of this disastrous campaign must be shared amongst all the members of this club, even though the players continue to defend the work of Gigi Del Neri. The manager himself doesn’t seem to realise how bad his Juve side has done this term, as he claims he has no regrets and would do everything all over again.
On the other hand, there several factors which go in favour of Del Neri: poor signings, disappointing performances from the players and an unlucky run of injuries. Mix them all together and the result is one of the most shameful campaigns in the club’s history.
President Andrea Agnelli and Director Beppe Marotta are fully responsible too, but contrary to the past few seasons, they respected the “stile Juventus” by keeping faith in the man they had appointed at the start of the season. At least that is a good sign, as finally the club and players agreed to stick with the Coach until the very end.
Questioned about his future, Del Neri argued that he has no reason to resign because he has worked as best as he possibly could. No one would disagree, but in most cases when a manager gives up his job it is because he sees there is no way things are going to improve. At this stage there is no point resigning, but had Del Neri done it earlier on this season, things could have gone differently for Juve.
Of course another man who could have considered talking about a resignation is Marotta, who - as pointed out by Luciano Moggi - is equally responsible for this season’s disaster. But he will have another season to prove himself and make up for his mistakes.
Contrary to the past, Juve should build on what they have done this term, even though it isn’t much. A new revolution may lead to yet another failure. From this perspective, unless they could land a top class manager, there would be no point in firing the current tactician to get one who has more or less the same experience.
Antonio Conte is a club idol and would certainly excite the fans who really want to get rid of Del Neri, but Juve have made the mistake of going for a “new” Josep Guardiola before. Furthermore, in terms of tactics he doesn’t have much more to offer than the current Bianconeri boss. If anything Del Neri has more experience and, as it stands, the support of the players.
Replacing him for the sake of changing doesn’t make much sense. After unproven Ciro Ferrara, who at least got them into Europe last term, Juve opted for an experienced Coach. It didn’t go well, but that is not the only reason of their failure.
If Conte is the “man” for Juve, Agnelli and Marotta will have to explain why, for instance, Gian Piero Gasperini isn’t. Gasp has more experienced than Conte, made Genoa play exciting football and did a superb job with the Bianconeri Primavera showing a great understanding of youngsters - something Juve have been looking for.
With Conte, Juve will almost be going back to what they had before Del Neri and unless they land a number of world-class players (if they can afford to) next season’s finale is likely to be as tragic as this one. But sometimes desperation confuses the minds of those in charge who are rushed to make decisions: Inter used to do it all the time, Juventus have ended up following in their footsteps.
It is beyond dispute that the faults of this disastrous campaign must be shared amongst all the members of this club, even though the players continue to defend the work of Gigi Del Neri. The manager himself doesn’t seem to realise how bad his Juve side has done this term, as he claims he has no regrets and would do everything all over again.
On the other hand, there several factors which go in favour of Del Neri: poor signings, disappointing performances from the players and an unlucky run of injuries. Mix them all together and the result is one of the most shameful campaigns in the club’s history.
President Andrea Agnelli and Director Beppe Marotta are fully responsible too, but contrary to the past few seasons, they respected the “stile Juventus” by keeping faith in the man they had appointed at the start of the season. At least that is a good sign, as finally the club and players agreed to stick with the Coach until the very end.
Questioned about his future, Del Neri argued that he has no reason to resign because he has worked as best as he possibly could. No one would disagree, but in most cases when a manager gives up his job it is because he sees there is no way things are going to improve. At this stage there is no point resigning, but had Del Neri done it earlier on this season, things could have gone differently for Juve.
Of course another man who could have considered talking about a resignation is Marotta, who - as pointed out by Luciano Moggi - is equally responsible for this season’s disaster. But he will have another season to prove himself and make up for his mistakes.
Contrary to the past, Juve should build on what they have done this term, even though it isn’t much. A new revolution may lead to yet another failure. From this perspective, unless they could land a top class manager, there would be no point in firing the current tactician to get one who has more or less the same experience.
Antonio Conte is a club idol and would certainly excite the fans who really want to get rid of Del Neri, but Juve have made the mistake of going for a “new” Josep Guardiola before. Furthermore, in terms of tactics he doesn’t have much more to offer than the current Bianconeri boss. If anything Del Neri has more experience and, as it stands, the support of the players.
Replacing him for the sake of changing doesn’t make much sense. After unproven Ciro Ferrara, who at least got them into Europe last term, Juve opted for an experienced Coach. It didn’t go well, but that is not the only reason of their failure.
If Conte is the “man” for Juve, Agnelli and Marotta will have to explain why, for instance, Gian Piero Gasperini isn’t. Gasp has more experienced than Conte, made Genoa play exciting football and did a superb job with the Bianconeri Primavera showing a great understanding of youngsters - something Juve have been looking for.
With Conte, Juve will almost be going back to what they had before Del Neri and unless they land a number of world-class players (if they can afford to) next season’s finale is likely to be as tragic as this one. But sometimes desperation confuses the minds of those in charge who are rushed to make decisions: Inter used to do it all the time, Juventus have ended up following in their footsteps.
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