Andrea Pirlo (93 Viewers)

[duranfj]

nah. evra's error shouldn't be the blame.

here, everyone talks about allegri like he was flawless, but one thing i hated about him in the CL is that he was a reactionary coach. he waits until too many mistakes happen, then rallies the team to try and fight back.

don't believe me?

bayern tdominate us at home, we have to fight back hard to eqaualize and leave it late to lose. why didnt we plan to win from the start in first leg?

against dortmund. narrow win in first leg at home, then have to produce outstanding performance in second leg to secure win. why not guarantee it from first leg?

happened in madrid in 2014-15 campaign

happened in madrid in 2017-18 campaign

happened in in both CL finals in first half where juve looked very nervous from start

happened vs spurs.

happened vs atletico.


only season where juve looked convincing in knockout rounds from the beginning was in the 16-17 campaign. rest is proof allgeri was too much of a reactionary coach. and for that it was the right decision to let him go

IMO he was reactionary because he knew he is very good reading games and making tactics change and subs.... some how that started to change after 16-17 and not for good, maybe the pressure, maybe he was trying new things after 3 years being so close to acchieve maximum glory

 

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[GarfielD]

I loved how he was alone in the press conference. Looked confident and prepared.

 

[campionesidd]

nah. evra's error shouldn't be the blame.

here, everyone talks about allegri like he was flawless, but one thing i hated about him in the CL is that he was a reactionary coach. he waits until too many mistakes happen, then rallies the team to try and fight back.

don't believe me?

bayern tdominate us at home, we have to fight back hard to eqaualize and leave it late to lose. why didnt we plan to win from the start in first leg?

against dortmund. narrow win in first leg at home, then have to produce outstanding performance in second leg to secure win. why not guarantee it from first leg?

happened in madrid in 2014-15 campaign

happened in madrid in 2017-18 campaign

happened in in both CL finals in first half where juve looked very nervous from start

happened vs spurs.

happened vs atletico.


only season where juve looked convincing in knockout rounds from the beginning was in the 16-17 campaign. rest is proof allgeri was too much of a reactionary coach. and for that it was the right decision to let him go

You are forgetting games where we came storming out of the gate and flattened the other team within 20 mins. Vs Bayern away in 2016 (we dropped off in the second half but we’re unplayable in the first). Vs Barca at home, vs Monaco home and away in 2017. Vs Tottenham at home and vs Real away in 2018, vs Atletico at home in 2019. These are just CL knockout games I mentioned. There are plenty more examples in the league, Coppa and CL group stage.

 

[PedroFlu]

He oozes confidence and seems to know exactly what he wants. Went straight to the point, openly mentioned the past "lack of enthusiasm" - which is very true -, didn't fuck around when asked about Higuain or new players.

Since we had no idea what to expect, I'd say it was quite promising interview. Very positive impression.

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Btw, when asked if there was an "agreement" with the senatori, he said no, there must be made an agreement between the whole squad - to establish a common purpose. Good answer

 

[athas]

I like Pirlo's idea, but who wouldn't? I mean, attacking football, dominate opponents, aggressive pressing? Every clubs want to play like that, there are reasons they don't, or can't.

If you want to play forward pass all the time, you'll need quality passer, good movement and set-up( and it's still a high risk). If you want to recover the ball quickly, you'll need great work rate, stamina and clear tactic how and who to press. Combine, you'll need all around player: willing to run and have great ability, I don't know if our players are up to that.

Pirlo's idea is similar to new football of the Germans. Ralf Rangnick (he is the one who insprire many young Gemans coach today) said football is changed. When in pressing phase it's not 1vs1 anymore, it's 2vs1 or better, 3vs1, and to do that the players need to run, run and never ask why. He said they train with a clock, when lose the ball, the team without the ball have 8 seconds to recover it, the team with the ball have 10 seconds to shot on goal. In the beginning the players can't do that, but with time, they are more familiar and more able. Usually, the younger players are adapt better than the old ones.

So in our case, we've seen our players fail to adapt with Sarri's idea. IMO Pirlo's idea is even more ambition, so sooner or later he'll face big problems. Hope in that difficult time, he can keep his belief and have balls to bench whoever refuse to change, be it Bonucci, Chiellini, Dybala, or even C.. .

 

[V]

Difference between Pirlo and Zizou, is Zizou inherited a world class team, with a shitload game-changers who he simply clicked with his charisma and man management due to everyone having revered him basically at some point in their lives. In such a scenario you don't need to be a tactical mastermind to succeed.

Pirlo on the other hand is getting a team between cycles with a lot of dead weight attached to it, which hopefully we will unload somewhere. Our midfield as is the case with us for a long time, apart from the few years Pirlo himself played, is lacking creativity and vision and above all game-changers, because Pirlo had Pogba and Vidal next to him. Man what a midfield that was...

Anyway, Pirlo the player demands so much respect and faith, Pirlo the coach should be given enough time to make out his clear vision for the team. He should be given 2 years minimum, I mean not like we are CL contenders, worse thing that can happen is someone else wins a couple of Scudettos, which let's face it, wouldn't be half bad, lol.

And if we're gonna win that fucking CL again in this lifetime, I can't see a better person to get us there than Pirlo. But we need the players and Pirlo needs time.

 

[Xperd]

nah. evra's error shouldn't be the blame.

here, everyone talks about allegri like he was flawless, but one thing i hated about him in the CL is that he was a reactionary coach. he waits until too many mistakes happen, then rallies the team to try and fight back.

don't believe me?

bayern tdominate us at home, we have to fight back hard to eqaualize and leave it late to lose. why didnt we plan to win from the start in first leg?

against dortmund. narrow win in first leg at home, then have to produce outstanding performance in second leg to secure win. why not guarantee it from first leg?

happened in madrid in 2014-15 campaign

happened in madrid in 2017-18 campaign

happened in in both CL finals in first half where juve looked very nervous from start

happened vs spurs.

happened vs atletico.


only season where juve looked convincing in knockout rounds from the beginning was in the 16-17 campaign. rest is proof allgeri was too much of a reactionary coach. and for that it was the right decision to let him go

Agreed 100%

 

[V]

nah. evra's error shouldn't be the blame.

here, everyone talks about allegri like he was flawless, but one thing i hated about him in the CL is that he was a reactionary coach. he waits until too many mistakes happen, then rallies the team to try and fight back.

don't believe me?

bayern tdominate us at home, we have to fight back hard to eqaualize and leave it late to lose. why didnt we plan to win from the start in first leg?

against dortmund. narrow win in first leg at home, then have to produce outstanding performance in second leg to secure win. why not guarantee it from first leg?

happened in madrid in 2014-15 campaign

happened in madrid in 2017-18 campaign

happened in in both CL finals in first half where juve looked very nervous from start

happened vs spurs.

happened vs atletico.


only season where juve looked convincing in knockout rounds from the beginning was in the 16-17 campaign. rest is proof allgeri was too much of a reactionary coach. and for that it was the right decision to let him go

Hahaha, nail, head 100%. So irritating to see the team play shitly and him doing his first sub in like 86th minute..sometimes not using all subs available. SMH

 

[Akshen]

regarding Pirlo and his conference something new for me is that he has or wants us to think he has a saying in transfer market. Usually Juves coach just says it Marotta/Tici thing and he doesnt know who we will buy. Pirlo said he knows who he wants and he already said it to the club. Thats something new here, same goes with Higuain situation, I cant imagine any other coach saying we will release a player - he would say its Tici thing not his.

 

[Wings]

I like Pirlo's idea, but who wouldn't? I mean, attacking football, dominate opponents, aggressive pressing? Every clubs want to play like that, there are reasons they don't, or can't.

If you want to play forward pass all the time, you'll need quality passer, good movement and set-up( and it's still a high risk). If you want to recover the ball quickly, you'll need great work rate, stamina and clear tactic how and who to press. Combine, you'll need all around player: willing to run and have great ability, I don't know if our players are up to that.

Pirlo's idea is similar to new football of the Germans. Ralf Rangnick (he is the one who insprire many young Gemans coach today) said football is changed. When in pressing phase it's not 1vs1 anymore, it's 2vs1 or better, 3vs1, and to do that the players need to run, run and never ask why. He said they train with a clock, when lose the ball, the team without the ball have 8 seconds to recover it, the team with the ball have 10 seconds to shot on goal. In the beginning the players can't do that, but with time, they are more familiar and more able. Usually, the younger players are adapt better than the old ones.

So in our case, we've seen our players fail to adapt with Sarri's idea. IMO Pirlo's idea is even more ambition, so sooner or later he'll face big problems. Hope in that difficult time, he can keep his belief and have balls to bench whoever refuse to change, be it Bonucci, Chiellini, Dybala, or even C.. .

It will be interesting to see how our fitness training will evolve to cater for this without sending every player to J Medical.

Difference between Pirlo and Zizou, is Zizou inherited a world class team, with a shitload game-changers who he simply clicked with his charisma and man management due to everyone having revered him basically at some point in their lives. In such a scenario you don't need to be a tactical mastermind to succeed.

Pirlo on the other hand is getting a team between cycles with a lot of dead weight attached to it, which hopefully we will unload somewhere. Our midfield as is the case with us for a long time, apart from the few years Pirlo himself played, is lacking creativity and vision and above all game-changers, because Pirlo had Pogba and Vidal next to him. Man what a midfield that was...

Anyway, Pirlo the player demands so much respect and faith, Pirlo the coach should be given enough time to make out his clear vision for the team. He should be given 2 years minimum, I mean not like we are CL contenders, worse thing that can happen is someone else wins a couple of Scudettos, which let's face it, wouldn't be half bad, lol.

And if we're gonna win that fucking CL again in this lifetime, I can't see a better person to get us there than Pirlo. But we need the players and Pirlo needs time.

This better be a long term solution and hopefully Pirlo doesn't become the scape goat although I hope we don't lose the 10th consecutive scudetto.

 

[Amer]

People everywhere impressed with his start of the pre-season and press-conference, taking it as signs of masterful coach.

Fans are deluded as much as the press.

The truth is we don't know what to expect until we start the Serie A on September 19th. It can be anything from a compete disaster of a performance to a 5-0 win.

Even the pre-season games wont show us anything. There will still be deadwood players in there, young players we want to loan out, U23 players etc. There's gonna be some flashes of attacking football with heavy legs and that's it.

Let's be realistic people, we're in for the toughest season in 10 years. It's exciting, but let's not act like Napoli fans every time they got a famous new signing.

 

[vodka]

Amer - didn't read lol

I love how he speaks. Looks very honest and does not play stupid mind games with press.

 

[TheLaz]

I like Pirlo's idea, but who wouldn't? I mean, attacking football, dominate opponents, aggressive pressing? Every clubs want to play like that, there are reasons they don't, or can't.

If you want to play forward pass all the time, you'll need quality passer, good movement and set-up( and it's still a high risk). If you want to recover the ball quickly, you'll need great work rate, stamina and clear tactic how and who to press. Combine, you'll need all around player: willing to run and have great ability, I don't know if our players are up to that.

Pirlo's idea is similar to new football of the Germans. Ralf Rangnick (he is the one who insprire many young Gemans coach today) said football is changed. When in pressing phase it's not 1vs1 anymore, it's 2vs1 or better, 3vs1, and to do that the players need to run, run and never ask why. He said they train with a clock, when lose the ball, the team without the ball have 8 seconds to recover it, the team with the ball have 10 seconds to shot on goal. In the beginning the players can't do that, but with time, they are more familiar and more able. Usually, the younger players are adapt better than the old ones.

So in our case, we've seen our players fail to adapt with Sarri's idea. IMO Pirlo's idea is even more ambition, so sooner or later he'll face big problems. Hope in that difficult time, he can keep his belief and have balls to bench whoever refuse to change, be it Bonucci, Chiellini, Dybala, or even C.. .

Good post. I would argue players with stamina and work rate(grinta) are more important than those with flair and finesse (class). Best would be a bit of both, but the german teams oooozes grinta right now. And so did Conte's Juve. We need to get back to that. We need to tell our players to give it all and get subbed when they're done: even Ronaldo. If Ronaldo don't want to gegenpress, he must get subbed. Otherwise, it'd be like playing with a red card. Kulusevski seems the perfect player for our project right now. With this ambition it makes perfect sense to replace Alex Sandro with Gosens, while adding a true RB like Dest – even though I think Cuadrado can play this style. His defending has improved, and he's sprinting both ways.

 

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[Clamarc]

I hope Pirlo can make our players train hard and transform.
Bayern and Flick could be a good example. They have a very great form post Covid. There should be a reason and one of the reason is their players really committed to training, diet, etc during at home

dem muscles
meanwhile we have skinny legs bonucci

 

[LiquidPLP]

Nothing new really. We've seen it for a while at Juve.

 

[Hust]

Nothing new really. We've seen it for a while at Juve.

It looked fancy when I posted it...wasn't impressed after reading it LOL

 

[Juventinoo]

Although it is just his first conference .... i like his thinking about tactical flexibility .... this is very important ....

Imagine we still wining the scudetto again with him.. ...

 

[pavluska]

Very impressed with his presser, said all the right things and has all the right ideas, now has to implement them. Wanting Tudor to compensate for him, man mgmt, playing philosophy (proactive, not reactive, and playing with enthusiasm/intensity for a change instead of "saving energy" without, it seems, sacrificing balance), etc all good.

One critique: it seems we'll continue to lack width/flank penetration. Only one player will be responsible to provide width on either side, no overlapping.

But glad it's not mindless gung ho or "German" (flavor of the month; lol at Italians completely abdicating all their strengths and entirely duplicating another school of soccer) or "tiki taka" without balance or anything Italian. Unlikely it was going to be, Agnelli isn't dumb, but more assurances now.

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Although it is just his first conference .... i like his thinking about tactical flexibility .... this is very important ....

Imagine we still wining the scudetto again with him.. ...

It's classic Zona Mista.

A FB that overlaps, a winger that defends (only ones providing width), a CB-FB hybrid, a fantasista or a mezzala behind two strikers.

In a way, it's not that flexible.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Frabotta, Portanova, Peeters, Fagioli and Dragusin are training with the first team.

Fagioli and Dragusin have a lot of talent imo, I don’t really rate Portanova and the other two I don’t know really well.