Andrea Pirlo (72 Viewers)

[Strickland]

Did I say that Bayern changed their mentality? I think it was me saying how I want our mentality and identity changed.

And yes. We agree about management making capable decisions. It's not like I fap over them 24/7, but I always pay attention when it comes to transfers. Most of the time I don't like who Real and Barca buy, even City and PSG. It's not just about the money. I always liked how Bayern did on that field.

We used to move great too. But over the past 5 years it looks absolutely pathetic.

Yes, I want to sack Pirlo. But I wonder why not many people mention Paratici and sacking him because he made some horrible mess here.

I'd say a 7/10 would be a fair assessment for Paratici last summer, did a lot of things right and started the much needed squad rejuvenation, Pirlo is making our team look a lot worse than it should.

Pirlo's performance this season looks to be somewhere around 3/10, we're not even in the Scudetto race and the CL was a big disappointment.

 

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[Juliano13]

Look at them now and look at us.

They look like they can compete for CL finals for the next 5-6 years. We look like we'll need 5-6 years to sort this team out.

Poor use of resources on our part. We don't have unlimited funds like City and PSG so we had to keep doing what we did from 2010 to 2015. Gradually upgrade certain areas every year without downgrading others, keep the wage bill under control, don't overspend on one player and try to keep your best players.

Instead, we let Vidal go for an embarassingly small amount of monet the same year Pirlo retired and that ruined our midfield. We had no choice but to sell Pogba but we flushed the money down the drain by purchasing Higuain. We got impatient about winning the CL, instead of sticking with our approach which was working well. And then we did the same mistake by buying Ronaldo. A great striker but he was not what our team needed most. And since he is so expensive, we had to make sacrifices and other areas of the team have suffered, not to mention the team chemistry. It's all about Ronaldo now.

Now our long term financial stability is ruined and at the worst possible time. Poor use of resources.

 

[kappa96]

players are not good, but this is on pirlo.

rabiot was a starter in ligue 1 winning psg.

bentancur was starter in serie a wiining juve

arthur was starter in la liga winning barca.

yet these 3 can't string 3 forward passes together here. even matuidi could pass the ball forward.

whats the common factor? pirlo. this is on pirlo first.

there is no stucture or identity to team

Trust the HYBRID.
Trust the THESIS.

Pirlo is trying to invent the square wheel.

 

[Dostoevsky]

You wanted to mimic Bayern's so called great club mentality, while their side was often on the losing end in Europe until recently, losing to Chrlsea in CL final at home, squanderung a lead against United in the last 2 minutes, etc... It is disrespectful in a way to dominant Juve sides that have won +60 trophies. This is why I wonder how come someone who has so many issues with this club over the years, became a fan in the first place? Because clearly our mentality didnt lure you...

Judging by your logic people would cheer only for top clubs who win trophies. Why do people cheer for Fiorentina, Lazio, Sampdoria? Eh? They don't win shit, they don't have financial power nor winning mentality.

I love this club and I don't give a shit if somebody questions my motives. Not so long I wrote how I find idiotic when somebody criticize something related to this club and others get so emotional, seeing themselves as "better and bigger" fans. We're best at everything, we're amazing, all is amazing here. Give me a break.

Look at our state since we came back from Serie A. Watch how we did in Europe. We won many times in Serie A surely but you can't say Italian league is in it's peak of strength. We had many ups and even more downs. Allegri's era was our peak but don't pretend that's a casual Juve because it isn't. Ranieri, Zaccheroni, Del Neri, Ferrara. We were really bad under those coaches but we didn't have a great team or something to admire at. Then we had a huge boost when Conte arrived. Then we did great under Allegri. Then we fell with Sarri and now there's non-existant Pirlo. What great mentality are you proud of? Over the last 14 years we had 4 which I might call successful years. Before that we had Capello who also choked, and he even had an amazing team, so it's more than 15 years I'd say.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Poor use of resources on our part. We don't have unlimited funds like City and PSG so we had to keep doing what we did from 2010 to 2015. Gradually upgrade certain areas every year without downgrading others, keep the wage bill under control, don't overspend on one player and try to keep your best players.

Instead, we let Vidal go for an embarassingly small amount of monet the same year Pirlo retired and that ruined our midfield. We had no choice but to sell Pogba but we flushed the money down the drain by purchasing Higuain. We got impatient about winning the CL, instead of sticking with our approach which was working well. And then we did the same mistake by buying Ronaldo. A great striker but he was not what our team needed most. And since he is so expensive, we had to make sacrifices and other areas of the team have suffered, not to mention the team chemistry. It's all about Ronaldo now.

Now our long term financial stability is ruined and at the worst possible time. Poor use of resources.

I agree with everything bar Ronaldo's part although I see what you're aiming at.

I'd say a 7/10 would be a fair assessment for Paratici last summer, did a lot of things right and started the much needed squad rejuvenation, Pirlo is making our team look a lot worse than it should.

Pirlo's performance this season looks to be somewhere around 3/10, we're not even in the Scudetto race and the CL was a big disappointment.

7? Seems generous at this stage imo.

Majority of our players are bench material I'd say. When you look at the names we brought and fees paid, I'd say it was way too much money for so little result. I do agree that Pirlo is underperforming with this team but I don't think other coaches would turn this squad into wizards. To me it seems like our starting XI lacks basic football knowledge as their movement is way off. It's like they lack football IQ. It's like over 100 million euros wasted on players who should not start here.

I agree it's a tough task rejuvenating the squad but you'd expect players to play. I remember us signing Vidal. I was jaw-dropping everything he came on the pitch eventhough he was new to the league. What a brilliant signing that was, hell, for peanuts. Now we spend 25-40mln on players who are average at best. I don't know how so many failed transfers can be a 7.

 

[Post Ironic]

I'd say a 7/10 would be a fair assessment for Paratici last summer, did a lot of things right and started the much needed squad rejuvenation, Pirlo is making our team look a lot worse than it should.

Pirlo's performance this season looks to be somewhere around 3/10, we're not even in the Scudetto race and the CL was a big disappointment.

Paratici was part of hiring that 3/10 coach which means that any good things he did on the transfer market are undermined by the coaching hire. So 3/10 for him as well.

 

[Vlad]

Judging by your logic people would cheer only for top clubs who win trophies. Why do people cheer for Fiorentina, Lazio, Sampdoria? Eh? They don't win shit, they don't have financial power nor winning mentality.

I love this club and I don't give a shit if somebody questions my motives. Not so long I wrote how I find idiotic when somebody criticize something related to this club and others get so emotional, seeing themselves as "better and bigger" fans. We're best at everything, we're amazing, all is amazing here. Give me a break.

Look at our state since we came back from Serie A. Watch how we did in Europe. We won many times in Serie A surely but you can't say Italian league is in it's peak of strength. We had many ups and even more downs. Allegri's era was our peak but don't pretend that's a casual Juve because it isn't. Ranieri, Zaccheroni, Del Neri, Ferrara. We were really bad under those coaches but we didn't have a great team or something to admire at. Then we had a huge boost when Conte arrived. Then we did great under Allegri. Then we fell with Sarri and now there's non-existant Pirlo. What great mentality are you proud of? Over the last 14 years we had 4 which I might call successful years. Before that we had Capello who also choked, and he even had an amazing team, so it's more than 15 years I'd say.

Dude, u reduced our history to several lost final, most of those you werent even around to witness... Ofc Im gonna call u out. This club's very own moto is winning above anything else and we have been pretty damn succesful at it. No intention to turn this into dick measuring contest but over the years there are few that are seldom satisfied, while other clubs are always seen by them as something we should aspire to. To me, it is strange, I dont envy other clubs. I want Juventus to become better than what they currently are ofc, but you dont need to look that far back to find great Juventus side we could look up to or thar u need to pine over Bayern's accomplishments.

About last part, all been said before, no club has been consistently dominant and most clubs u dick ride atm, have spent 20-30 years in absolute anonymity. We had 5 very good to great years under Allegri where unfortunately we didnt go all the way but we were very close. So lets not pretend we have been shit all the time.

 

[Juliano13]

Paratici was part of hiring that 3/10 coach which means that any good things he did on the transfer market are undermined by the coaching hire. So 3/10 for him as well.

An interesting question is how much was Paratici reaponsible for the Pirlo appointment and how much was it Agnelli. I'd say it's 80% Agnelli, 15% Paratici and 5% Nedved and I base this on absolutely nothing.

 

[X Æ A-12]

An interesting question is how much was Paratici reaponsible for the Pirlo appointment and how much was it Agnelli. I'd say it's 80% Agnelli, 15% Paratici and 5% Nedved and I base this on absolutely nothing.

0% Paratici. In fact -% Paratici because he fought tooth and nail against Pirlo's appointment. Unless Pirlo wins the CL next season.

 

[Mike-e-y]

Genuinely think this clown plays our Attack against our defence in training and thinks they are superb at creating chances.

Wonder when he will realise it only looks like his attacking ideas are working in training because our defensive set up would struggle in the 3rd division of the Maltese football league

 

[Dostoevsky]

Dude, u reduced our history to several lost final, most of those you werent even around to witness... Ofc Im gonna call u out. This club's very own moto is winning above anything else and we have been pretty damn succesful at it. No intention to turn this into dick measuring contest but over the years there are few that are seldom satisfied, while other clubs are always seen by them as something we should aspire to. To me, it is strange, I dont envy other clubs. I want Juventus to become better than what they currently are ofc, but you dont need to look that far back to find great Juventus side we could look up to or thar u need to pine over Bayern's accomplishments.

About last part, all been said before, no club has been consistently dominant and most clubs u dick ride atm, have spent 20-30 years in absolute anonymity. We had 5 very good to great years under Allegri where unfortunately we didnt go all the way but we were very close. So lets not pretend we have been shit all the time.

We agree on most parts actually. Also sorry about passive rage, it's because we lost against fucking Benevento.

But, unlike you probably, I can't see our problem easily fixed because of two reasons. 1) I can't see us getting a proper coach nor sacking Pirlo 2) imo it's gonna be a vital transfer window for us and looking at our transfers recently I think we'll mess it up

 

[Vlad]

We show up in every decade, unfortunately this time around we didnt make that final step but no doubt in my mind over the next 5-6 years, we will try to make that attempt again:

83-85
93-99
03
15-18

 

[italiacalcio10]

That's the thing. It's not about paying 60mln for Candreva. It's buying Candreva.

Other clubs also overpay in their league, just look in England what's going on. I don't mind us buying overpriced Berna, Arthur, Bentancur, Ramsey, Kulu. I don't mind... as long as they perform. And it's where the issue is. It's not just us spending fortune, it's us spending fortune on players who are not even good enough.

People should be held responsible for their action. Paratici should be blamed for the team he assembled and he should be fired.

Like I said before, I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault. It's us having horrible transfer policy. We fell from Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Pjanic and Marchisio to Can, Matuidi, Khedira, and later to Arthur, Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey. That's not Ronaldo's fault, nor because of that transfer, but because our incompetent management had 90mln on their disposal once we bought Higuain.

I don't think buying Ronaldo was bad. It was bad that we spent huge amount of money on players that are not even bench material.

It also had to do with the strategy we took a year after buying Ronaldo. It’s like we saw how Ajax played and thought “we have to do that” despite the fact that when you have Ronaldo at 35-36 years old, you’re better off playing a system that defends more deeply vs pressing super high.
And re: Candreva, I think it’s also a function of the lesser teams in the league tending to hold onto their stars. In the Bundesliga you basically only have Bayern and Dortmund. The rest of the teams tend to fluctuate and do not have much financial firepower. Serie A has Milan, Inter and Juventus. Those teams won’t sell to each other. Then you have Lazio. You get quoted €80M for SMS. Napoli? €100M for Koulibaly. Fact is we can’t afford the top serie A talent because the lesser teams overprice their talent. For whatever, the only team we can get a deal with is Fiorentina for all we complain about them.


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[Vlad]

We agree on most parts actually. Also sorry about passive rage, it's because we lost against fucking Benevento.

But, unlike you probably, I can't see our problem easily fixed because of two reasons. 1) I can't see us getting a proper coach nor sacking Pirlo 2) imo it's gonna be a vital transfer window for us and looking at our transfers recently I think we'll mess it up

Its cool, but over the years here, u were always glass is kind of half empty type, so naturally u see this as the end. I see this as opportunity, to start new cycle, reduce our wage bill, establish new managment structure, etc... Juventus will be back, maybe not next year or the year after, but at one point we will dominate again.

 

[Strickland]

Paratici was part of hiring that 3/10 coach which means that any good things he did on the transfer market are undermined by the coaching hire. So 3/10 for him as well.

IMO the final decision and therefore the responsibility of that is on Agnelli. I gather that from their public statements like Agnelli saying that firing Allegri was his hardest decision in charge of Juve. The rest about who influenced what and who was in favour of which coach is all baseless speculation originating from journalists who might have a good source and might be pulling things out of their ass.

 

[italiacalcio10]

I doubt we can afford to fire Prilo and hire Allegri at the same time.

Issue equity.


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[italiacalcio10]

Please Andrea resign. We like you, don't draw anger at yourself

If he wants to stay as an assistant I’d even be ok with that.


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[zizinho]

If he wants to stay as an assistant I’d even be ok with that.


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If the new coach would want him. Just let him coach primavera or U23 or something

 

[italiacalcio10]

If the new coach would want him. Just let him coach primavera or U23 or something

Sure - the guy was a smart player and could be a great coach one day. He just isn’t now so yeah, let him take over the 23s.


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[.zero]

lol people crediting paratici but blaming the guy with no experience in his role

so much lel