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MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Yeah. People want heads. But we lost it against Porto less because of Pirlo... not to defend his weakness. But the players let us down save for Chiesa and Johnny Square, IMO.
I feel that we lost it when Bentancur tried to play out from his own 6 yard box. Which is 100% a direction from the coach. The attempt to play out from that deep with 3 defenders is 100% incorrect in the first place and it will never work. Let alone asking Bentancur to do it.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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He can have Ronaldo and Messi for all I care. If the CM is non-existent it's a mission impossible.
PL records shattering and CL winning Liverpools central mid doesn't have much more talent than ours, yet they worked as a team and played to the teams strengths similarly to 16/17 Juve, who also didn't have an elite mid. A weak area in a WC team doesn't give the coach an excuse to suck
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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PL records shattering and CL winning Liverpools central mid doesn't have much more talent than ours, yet they worked as a team and played to the teams strengths similarly to 16/17 Juve, who also didn't have an elite mid. A weak area in a WC team doesn't give the coach an excuse to suck
They are actually world class physically and tactically... It's not because there's no Modric that they're not miles better than our three stooges. They simply have different qualities.
 

Strickland

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They are actually world class physically and tactically... It's not because there's no Modric that they're not miles better than our three stooges. They simply have different qualities.
Wijnaldum, Henderson, Fabinho and Milner? They might be world class in a single aspect like Arthur is WC with the ball under pressure, but overall until Klopp turned them into a machine, only Fabinho showed potential to be great already in Monaco. The rest prior to Klopp can easily be grouped in the same tier or lower as Rabiot, Bentancur, Ramsey or Arthur. Give that midfield to Pirlo and our midfield would probably look just as incompetent
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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PL records shattering and CL winning Liverpools central mid doesn't have much more talent than ours, yet they worked as a team and played to the teams strengths similarly to 16/17 Juve, who also didn't have an elite mid. A weak area in a WC team doesn't give the coach an excuse to suck
I would say our guys fit together much better than your guys, even when we’re playing poorly we’re the ball moves smoothly through the midfield and we’re able to have some control. The players in Juve’s midfield haven’t fit together in some time, probably since the Vidal, Pirlo days. That’s down to a lack of identity more than anything. That can be bandaged, but only for so long
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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I feel that we lost it when Bentancur tried to play out from his own 6 yard box. Which is 100% a direction from the coach. The attempt to play out from that deep with 3 defenders is 100% incorrect in the first place and it will never work. Let alone asking Bentancur to do it.
:agree:

Plus it had been obvious all season Bentancur had issues in that role and was likely to make a mistake. He should never have been asked to be in that position.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Wijnaldum, Henderson, Fabinho and Milner? They might be world class in a single aspect like Arthur is WC with the ball under pressure, but overall until Klopp turned them into a machine, only Fabinho showed potential to be great already in Monaco. The rest prior to Klopp can easily be grouped in the same tier or lower as Rabiot, Bentancur, Ramsey or Arthur. Give that midfield to Pirlo and our midfield would probably look just as incompetent
Being world class in one aspect is more than enough if they complement each other which is exactly the case over there. They were far from that mediocre tier, standing out in jack shit. They just hadn't found the right balance yet without Fabinho. Give that to Pirlo and we'll see. The rest is pure and utter speculation by haters.

Also look a bit further at the rest of the decennium CL winning midfields and see the bigger picture.
 
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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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:agree:

Plus it had been obvious all season Bentancur had issues in that role and was likely to make a mistake. He should never have been asked to be in that position.
Thats the coach job to figure out fast this kind of things... but Pirlo is not only dumb but is also fixed in commiting his shits game after game.

OUT
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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We keep saying the midfield is very bad yet when it comes to specific names who need to go in the summer, I still see some people in here want to keep Benta or Rabiot or Ramsey.
I'd sell Rabiot, I think we can get a good sum for him, he will always be a player that does some good stuff but is dumb and has no character. Bentancur I'd keep on the bench, see what he does next year then sell his ass if it's more of the same (Boca clause). Ramsey should go, hopefully some mid table prem club would take him.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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I feel that we lost it when Bentancur tried to play out from his own 6 yard box. Which is 100% a direction from the coach. The attempt to play out from that deep with 3 defenders is 100% incorrect in the first place and it will never work. Let alone asking Bentancur to do it.
It will and it works for the league leaders right now by the way.
Asking Bentancur/Rabiot to do it and being stubborn as fuck about it, is obviously a huge fail.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Wijnaldum, Henderson, Fabinho and Milner? They might be world class in a single aspect like Arthur is WC with the ball under pressure, but overall until Klopp turned them into a machine, only Fabinho showed potential to be great already in Monaco. The rest prior to Klopp can easily be grouped in the same tier or lower as Rabiot, Bentancur, Ramsey or Arthur. Give that midfield to Pirlo and our midfield would probably look just as incompetent
This is why it's always important to consult the coach and make signings that fits his style of play rather than making random 'market opportunity' signings. Heck the one time Liverpool failed is when they applied this 'market opportunity' policy and signed Thiago who despite being a WC midfielder in his own right, has failed to adapt in Klopp's system. Klopp knows only one way to play and he's been successful in moulding these functional, 'system' players into consistent performers.

It's the same thing with Atalanta and Gasperini. Their midfielders move the ball way better than us.

If Pandemic Pirlo is serious about his coaching job and wants to implement his 'thesis' on the pitch and develop an identity, he should request for certain player profiles that suit his football otherwise next season is gonna be more or less the same as this season.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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This is why it's always important to consult the coach and make signings that fits his style of play rather than making random 'market opportunity' signings. Heck the one time Liverpool failed is when they applied this 'market opportunity' policy and signed Thiago who despite being a WC midfielder in his own right, has failed to adapt in Klopp's system. Klopp knows only one way to play and he's been successful in moulding these functional, 'system' players into consistent performers.

It's the same thing with Atalanta and Gasperini. Their midfielders move the ball way better than us.

If Pandemic Pirlo is serious about his coaching job and wants to implement his 'thesis' on the pitch and develop an identity, he should request for certain player profiles that suit his football otherwise next season is gonna be more or less the same as this season.
He will most probably request but do you know who receives his requests?

I'll give you a hint
:fab:
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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This is why it's always important to consult the coach and make signings that fits his style of play rather than making random 'market opportunity' signings. Heck the one time Liverpool failed is when they applied this 'market opportunity' policy and signed Thiago who despite being a WC midfielder in his own right, has failed to adapt in Klopp's system. Klopp knows only one way to play and he's been successful in moulding these functional, 'system' players into consistent performers.

It's the same thing with Atalanta and Gasperini. Their midfielders move the ball way better than us.

If Pandemic Pirlo is serious about his coaching job and wants to implement his 'thesis' on the pitch and develop an identity, he should request for certain player profiles that suit his football otherwise next season is gonna be more or less the same as this season.
True all that except the bolded part..to match the players you request to your style/thesis, you need a clear and distinct way of playing which the winemaker doesn't have. Anyone know what the fuck it is he is trying to do?
Looking at this team trying to shuffle and cover ground without the ball especially is painful, and this is the most basic thing in team organization.

Klopp can say to peeperpool my players are fading I need 250m to build a similar team and you'd know exactly what is lacking and what they need, not us, we have no identity.
 

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