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Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Except that analogy isnt good. Once a great player, now given reigns of the team as a coach. The same industry, the same guy, different role. The guy dictated our player during one of our more succesful periods so the expectations are high even if he lacks experience for a new role. That being said, we shouldnt lower our standards and only trophies will make it possible for Pirlo and Juve going forward with their relationship.
This is also same industry and a different role.

There were plenty of top players being coached by great ones. What makes Pirlo stand out? The fact that he was a regista with a brain? It was a 100% risk move. Just like giving the role to Del Piero, Chiellini or Trezeguet.
 

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Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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This is also same industry and a different role.

There were plenty of top players being coached by great ones. What makes Pirlo stand out? The fact that he was a regista with a brain? It was a 100% risk move. Just like giving the role to Del Piero, Chiellini or Trezeguet.
The protagonist isnt the same in your example, therefore it isnt good analogy. More fitting would be Dostoyevski becoming book editor, etc.
 

Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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So I’ve just noticed an interesting/depressing stat.

we’ve only won 2 games on the field in serie a this season. That’s the same amount as Benevento, Bologna, Spezia and Fiorentina and 1 less than Verona
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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So I’ve just noticed an interesting/depressing stat.

we’ve only won 2 games on the field in serie a this season. That’s the same amount as Benevento, Bologna, Spezia and Fiorentina and 1 less than Verona
Worrying, especially when you look at who we have played. Looks even worse if you trace our results back to mid-February.

The annoying thing is he has put himself under so much pressure with so many naive decisions. Some of the line-ups and subs have been terrible. I think he is trying to be too clever.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Worrying, especially when you look at who we have played. Looks even worse if you trace our results back to mid-February.

The annoying thing is he has put himself under so much pressure with so many naive decisions. Some of the line-ups and subs have been terrible. I think he is trying to be too clever.
I think the same.

Maybe he is too much into himself and his thesis, that he forgot he is a rookie
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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It's not all bad luck though.

We still were asking for it. We could have put that one to bed easily in the 1st half. And even if not, we were sleeping for at least 25 minutes in the 2nd one.
Im not saying its all luck but not having your best players is problematic.

I still think we have the best team by quite a margin so I do expect us to beat Lazio or whatever team comes after.

Our team has way more potential than we are currently showing but something needs to change both on the offensive end in which we dont create as much as you expect to when playing an "attacking style of football"
Our defense - Bonucci can make the impression of a great defender but then in a split second he doesnt cover well and game over.

You can say its the coach, players, tactics - Something isnt quite working.

So Im not saying Pirlo isnt top of Serie A by luck as its more than that but it is quite a bad luck not having Ronaldo for a few games + MDL out + A.S out + Dybala playing terrible.
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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The important thing is whether he has gotten better over the course of the season so far, or if he is repeating the same mistakes or has even regressed.

There definitely hasn’t been any regression. The mistakes are there, but they seem to lessen by the game. Yes, this isn’t the way the coach of one of the biggest teams in Europe should be judged, but the board would have already known this and discussed it when they hired him.

The worst thing to do would be to let him go prematurely. As long as we remain in Serie A contention towards the very end of the season and have a decent CL run, there is no reason to fire him. This isn’t a Ferrara like situation. Far from it.

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Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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Pirlo made some naive mistakes today but ultimately he set the team up well.

his subs were poor, but having said that the players need to look at themselves here as that reaction wasn’t good enough. We should have finished the game off earlier and it shouldn’t have got to being 1 up in the 94th minute.

The main worry with this Juventus team is the players look like they are too used to winning, there’s a lack of hunger about the majority of our players. It’s been evident since football came back and it’s the biggest problem we could possibly have. Regardless of who is the manager they’re going to have the same challenge
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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In his press conference, he blamed cuadrado for the result instead of dybala.
What are you talking about? Can you send the link you are referring to?
I read on FI both Bonucci`s and Pirlo`s post match comments and none of them even talked about Cuadrado.
 
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Worrying, especially when you look at who we have played. Looks even worse if you trace our results back to mid-February.

The annoying thing is he has put himself under so much pressure with so many naive decisions. Some of the line-ups and subs have been terrible. I think he is trying to be too clever.
Im not so worried yet. But maybe I panic not as fast as others.

We see improvement, and besides that conceding in the last second is very unlucky. Have to say that it feels a bit silly to come here every week and say that we were unlucky, but there’s truth in it.

I really want us to continue this project; young manager, young players and more financial health compared to the last 3 years. I’m willing to accept these kind of matches knowing that things probably will get better.

Last year with Sarri we won all the games at the start of the season yet we knew something wasn’t right. I don’t have this with Pirlo.

We were organized very well today, should’ve won like in the others matches against small sides, Lazio away is a difficult game.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Bad result, but it was unlucky and i see an improving team.

lazio away is on paper one of the tougher fixtures in serie a and we looked like coming away with the victory.
Unlucky is when you dominate a team for 90', literally on every department, yet you can't seem to score but they score out of nowhere after 90'. What we saw today wasn't unlucky, it was not giving a crap in the last 35 minutes of the game but sitting back and watching if they can score.

As for the first half, yeah, that was a big improvement. But overall a horrible thing. Draw against Lazio itself isn't as horrible as our attitude in the second half.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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you could hear pirlo screaming at fabrotta every 2 seconds. Why is he playing the kid at LM position when he is aleftback?
As such, all our attacks were based on cuadrado and kulusevski on the right. So nothing on the left side as danilo does not go forward like cuadrado and fabrotta offesively is meh.

pirlo just need to stick to a simple 442 where we attack symmetrically.
 

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