Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (52 Viewers)
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On the opposite end where this sentiment comes from is a Jj fan
Come on! Winning is something and having dry periods is also acceptable but doing a series of bad decisions one after the other for the fourth year straight is something else. Not to forget that it is in a way a collective view for most of the fans that the decisions and direction has been to spite the fans, maybe not intentionally but it is opposite to what the fans want, and I am not talking about winning here.
Imo the best way to generate new fans is through the events that are major attractions and are viewed worldwide - CL knockouts, Euro's and WC's, you could also say EPL. We dont play much in CL knockouts lately and we dont play in EPL 
, but I can imagine a couple kids watching Italy in Euro2020, finding a connection with Chiesa, Chiellini-Bonucci or Locatelli and starting to follow Juve because of that. Sucks that Italy missed 2 WCs in a row and Chiesa fucked his knee.
F.e. I started following Juve in early 00s because I thought Del Piero was a footballing God and Davids was simply cool, combining grinta, a unique story and street football flair.
, but I can imagine a couple kids watching Italy in Euro2020, finding a connection with Chiesa, Chiellini-Bonucci or Locatelli and starting to follow Juve because of that. Sucks that Italy missed 2 WCs in a row and Chiesa fucked his knee.F.e. I started following Juve in early 00s because I thought Del Piero was a footballing God and Davids was simply cool, combining grinta, a unique story and street football flair.
You know that the vast majority of guys here been supporting Juve during long time, including Serie B and Del Neri days.
We know you cant always win, and have suffered in the past, heck we are the club with more CL finals lost.
But the thing is that will not change unless the plan changes, this is a game that the one that scores more goals wins, just by probability if you attack more, if you are in the opposing part of the field your chances increases. And we dont have a clue of how to do that.
What I fear the most is us to direct to obscurantism, like Celtic, Ajax or the likes, because we dont improve.
Tell me being the powerhouse we are, cant do as well as Bayern. We underperform big time.
Even Barcelona(with all their problems) are now better positioned than us for the future. Milan I guess will perform better than us in CL.
We know you cant always win, and have suffered in the past, heck we are the club with more CL finals lost.
But the thing is that will not change unless the plan changes, this is a game that the one that scores more goals wins, just by probability if you attack more, if you are in the opposing part of the field your chances increases. And we dont have a clue of how to do that.
What I fear the most is us to direct to obscurantism, like Celtic, Ajax or the likes, because we dont improve.
Tell me being the powerhouse we are, cant do as well as Bayern. We underperform big time.
Even Barcelona(with all their problems) are now better positioned than us for the future. Milan I guess will perform better than us in CL.
I hear you, and I'm afraid this is as much down to the league as it is Juve. There isn't really the danger to fall to the level of SPL or Eredivisie teams but there is for Ligue 1 and Primeira Liga.
The Bundesliga is not really my thing and I find aspects of it poor, bordering on amateurish, but they put together a better product and then have the one giant team in the league thoroughly taking advantage of it with good decisions. We aren't really in the same situation as we share a history of success with two other teams and in a corrupt and insular system, so most of the decisions we make have to be good ones. Don't do that and we end up in our current situation, and unlike Man Utd with their pots of money or Barcelona with their dodgy political sway we have to do it in a sensible way with even better decisions.
The Bundesliga is not really my thing and I find aspects of it poor, bordering on amateurish, but they put together a better product and then have the one giant team in the league thoroughly taking advantage of it with good decisions. We aren't really in the same situation as we share a history of success with two other teams and in a corrupt and insular system, so most of the decisions we make have to be good ones. Don't do that and we end up in our current situation, and unlike Man Utd with their pots of money or Barcelona with their dodgy political sway we have to do it in a sensible way with even better decisions.
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Real has been successful and lucky in CL finals in the past 20 years. They disappeared from 2002 till 2010
At one point (94-2000) we were the team to support even if we were not lucky in finals.
Milan were the team to support, and if you go back in time, it is ball circling.. once you are top.. then it rolls and it is the turn of someone else..
Sadly, very much... Future does not seem good for Serie A clubs with how football industry is managed and regulated (FFP is stupid) nowadays.
And I fully get it why Super League seems to be a solution for this entertainment industry..
Generally, football now is super fucking boring.... you feel you are watching the same game over and over again in different league.. international, EPL, La Liga, BL, Serie A, CL, all looks almost same..
SL Or regulators shoudl find a way to make football like NBA..
Imagine the US sports, they have stats for every aspect of the game, eveb ridiculous ones and still managed to make it entertaining.
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At one point (94-2000) we were the team to support even if we were not lucky in finals.
Milan were the team to support, and if you go back in time, it is ball circling.. once you are top.. then it rolls and it is the turn of someone else..
Sadly, very much... Future does not seem good for Serie A clubs with how football industry is managed and regulated (FFP is stupid) nowadays.
And I fully get it why Super League seems to be a solution for this entertainment industry..
Generally, football now is super fucking boring.... you feel you are watching the same game over and over again in different league.. international, EPL, La Liga, BL, Serie A, CL, all looks almost same..
SL Or regulators shoudl find a way to make football like NBA..
Imagine the US sports, they have stats for every aspect of the game, eveb ridiculous ones and still managed to make it entertaining.
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What I find most perplexing is silence from normal boisterous Tuz posters about Agnelli
Quick to credit Agnelli for all 9 scudetti.
Fail to acknowledge that he dismantled the staff that built the dynasty
Blame coach, players, med staff, management for current state but do not hold Agnelli accountable at all for the decline and current state. Despite him being in charge and having the final say over everything. He wants only Italian coaches. He approves/denies every player deal( good or bad).
11 years in charge and our youth system is garbage. Zero development and output. Our scouting went from finding low cap gems to overpaying on known players.
He sets the priorities for the entire club. Including off the field.
but let’s continue to blame Allegri, the med staff, Cherubini, etc. everyone else except the guy that runs it all.
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I’ll hang up and listen for the response trying to explain that he’s not culpable. Or that he did a great job clearing out dead weight and signing Susan
Quick to credit Agnelli for all 9 scudetti.
Fail to acknowledge that he dismantled the staff that built the dynasty
Blame coach, players, med staff, management for current state but do not hold Agnelli accountable at all for the decline and current state. Despite him being in charge and having the final say over everything. He wants only Italian coaches. He approves/denies every player deal( good or bad).
11 years in charge and our youth system is garbage. Zero development and output. Our scouting went from finding low cap gems to overpaying on known players.
He sets the priorities for the entire club. Including off the field.
but let’s continue to blame Allegri, the med staff, Cherubini, etc. everyone else except the guy that runs it all.
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I’ll hang up and listen for the response trying to explain that he’s not culpable. Or that he did a great job clearing out dead weight and signing Susan