Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (25 Viewers)
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This is actually an argument that is not going to hold much water for much longer. The reasons being that we are talking about the club's spending patterns after Calciopoli. Yes, we didn't spend big post Amauri and Diego, who were bought one season after our return. Agreed. But keep in mind that was another transfer director, who was then replaced by the current one who inherited the club in a depressed state of affairs.
So yes, it would be advisable to proceed with caution in such a scenario and we can argue that it's a fair policy coming off 7th place. But to forecast and say that we don't tend to do it, is just wrong, because if the club has ambitions in Europe,mwhich I know for a fact that it does, then its clear that it has to begin to piece together a team that boasts of players relevant in top continental teams. The team is growing in its rebuilding process, so it is bound to need a certain kind of personnel. Sure, you can tell me that we can't achieve it season after season. But if we can't buy one top player or maybe European level player after three domestic titles in a row, then there is a problem. Moggi, for all his wily ways, spent big when required. He may not have done it every season, that is a fair enough point. But if we are talking about creating cycles and building teams, then we need to realize that this is a mix of everything. Including those key players who cost a bit of money. I'm not of the opinion that we should only be spending big, but I'm definitely of the opinion that you need pillars to your overall design, and those key pillars may require a higher initial investment before they pay you back.
The economy isn't going to change, so we are going to have to find out a way to draw this balance. You don't want to spend big but you want your coach to challenge in Europe. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Someting's gotta give.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I didn't say conte went about it the correct way, in fact I thought he did it in a way unbecoming of a coach of a top team, but Agnelli being president, should've sought to calm the situation instead of furthering the divide.
So yes, it would be advisable to proceed with caution in such a scenario and we can argue that it's a fair policy coming off 7th place. But to forecast and say that we don't tend to do it, is just wrong, because if the club has ambitions in Europe,mwhich I know for a fact that it does, then its clear that it has to begin to piece together a team that boasts of players relevant in top continental teams. The team is growing in its rebuilding process, so it is bound to need a certain kind of personnel. Sure, you can tell me that we can't achieve it season after season. But if we can't buy one top player or maybe European level player after three domestic titles in a row, then there is a problem. Moggi, for all his wily ways, spent big when required. He may not have done it every season, that is a fair enough point. But if we are talking about creating cycles and building teams, then we need to realize that this is a mix of everything. Including those key players who cost a bit of money. I'm not of the opinion that we should only be spending big, but I'm definitely of the opinion that you need pillars to your overall design, and those key pillars may require a higher initial investment before they pay you back.
The economy isn't going to change, so we are going to have to find out a way to draw this balance. You don't want to spend big but you want your coach to challenge in Europe. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Someting's gotta give.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I didn't say conte went about it the correct way, in fact I thought he did it in a way unbecoming of a coach of a top team, but Agnelli being president, should've sought to calm the situation instead of furthering the divide.
I guess it could also come down to new signings vs a new project. Maybe Conte feels that with 1 or 2 important signings that the team can take the next step and have a shot at winning the CL since some key players i.e. Pirlo, Buffon, Barzagli, Licht will probably be declining in 1-2+ years and we won't have a better shot than this. And possibly mgmt feels that it's better to save the money for a new project i.e. youth signings. Maybe by not spending much the past couple of seasons we saved some money for a later date for such a decision and now they are at odds over this...
Sometimes he may ask for things that seem unrealistic, but not because he is selfish, but he actually believes in them.
Just like when he said that he would be good for the club and we were in doubt about if this will be good for the club really, or his personal carrier and it turned out, that indeed it was the best for the club.
Right now, he is in a position to do smth for our club that would take us in the next step and this is the only way to do it!
I believe that he has no intention to go, no matter how silly this might look to some of us, he really believes that there is a way for our club to improve and he is ready to put his head in line for this, just like he did, with that betting scandal,
he took the bullet for Juve then, instead of defending his self.
I am cinvinced that he is doing the same now.
He knows better than us what our team is capable of, heck better than the board too!
Hw knows were our weaknesses lie and this is his best effort to do smth about it!
And its not only Conte, many among us, dont agree with the ways are handled by the board, its always trial and error for them, as they are inexperienced, but Conte was a part of the team, when we in a full throttle,
he knows how to make it work, he loves the club and we need to trust him!
The spectacle over performance, was gone, the ItalJuve project is gone, the quantity over quality must gone too, if we want to compete at the highest levels!
Just like when he said that he would be good for the club and we were in doubt about if this will be good for the club really, or his personal carrier and it turned out, that indeed it was the best for the club.
Right now, he is in a position to do smth for our club that would take us in the next step and this is the only way to do it!
I believe that he has no intention to go, no matter how silly this might look to some of us, he really believes that there is a way for our club to improve and he is ready to put his head in line for this, just like he did, with that betting scandal,
he took the bullet for Juve then, instead of defending his self.
I am cinvinced that he is doing the same now.
He knows better than us what our team is capable of, heck better than the board too!
Hw knows were our weaknesses lie and this is his best effort to do smth about it!
And its not only Conte, many among us, dont agree with the ways are handled by the board, its always trial and error for them, as they are inexperienced, but Conte was a part of the team, when we in a full throttle,
he knows how to make it work, he loves the club and we need to trust him!
The spectacle over performance, was gone, the ItalJuve project is gone, the quantity over quality must gone too, if we want to compete at the highest levels!
The tl;dr now is basically 'take the risk and spend money we can't afford to lose', 'spending = ambition'. It's exactly the same philosophy as the Secco days. Forget FFP and all that, let's go big or go home. Or we could just wait until next season when we'll actually have revenue streams we can use in the mercato.
Maybe he's been fed up with constantly calming the situation down and being the reasonable one, while coach has decided to complain right and left on numerous occasions. Who knows what might have happened in the private meetings between these two over the years. It's not Conte's first cry to the media and I don't think it would be the last. And it wasn't as bad as the media headline suggests.
We're just barely within FFP atm btw.
We're just barely within FFP atm btw.
Actually he didn't say that nobody is irreplaceable after a question about Conte, the journalist asked him if there is anyone irrepleceable in this club and he answered "No, not even me." There's a bit of a difference. He couldn't give the same "politically correct" answer Marotta gave yesterday because he was not directly aske about Conte. Report news must be accurate, cause there can be some misunderstanding.
