Amauri "The Immovable Object" Carvalho de Oliveira (14 Viewers)

Dec 26, 2004
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Lets forget all the hate about Amauri and concentrate on his amazing scoring rate of a striker who is soon to become 30.

Chievo: 0.2 goal/game.
Palermo : 0.4 goal/game.
Juventus: 0.3 goal/game.

Amauri's Overall average during 11 years in Italy: 0.22 goal/game.

Frank Lampard (midfielder) had an average of 0.3 goal/game playing for Chelsea.

Fernando Hierro (defender) had an average of 0.23 goal/game playing for Real Madird.
 

xkorpyon

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Jan 13, 2008
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Lets forget all the hate about Amauri and concentrate on his amazing scoring rate of a striker who is soon to become 30.

Chievo: 0.2 goal/game.
Palermo : 0.4 goal/game.
Juventus: 0.3 goal/game.

Amauri's Overall average during 11 years in Italy: 0.22 goal/game.

Frank Lampard (midfielder) had an average of 0.3 goal/game playing for Chelsea.

Fernando Hierro (defender) had an average of 0.23 goal/game playing for Real Madird.
You are so bad!!! :agree:
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Right, people slagging Amauri, explain what you want him to do in this situation, when the ball is played long to his head or chest when he has his back to goal and he has a CB tight at his back:



--------------Melo----Sissoko---De Ceglie
Candreva---------Sneijder--------------

Diego
Motta------Zanetti
Cambiasso
Amauri
Santon--Materazzi--Lucio--Maicon​

Without movement from the rest of the team, what can he do?

I'm still waiting for an answer.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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I can try. :D

Right, people slagging Amauri, explain what you want him to do in this situation, when the ball is played long to his head or chest when he has his back to goal and he has a CB tight at his back:



--------------Melo----Sissoko---De Ceglie
Candreva---------Sneijder--------------

Diego
Motta------Zanetti
Cambiasso
Amauri
Santon--Materazzi--Lucio--Maicon​

Without movement from the rest of the team, what can he do?
What I want him to do is move and create space for maybe the 3 other attacking players we have to run into. I suppose there is nothing wrong with standing like a tree in the middle to give Inter's backline a place to lay and rest and catch some shade.

You're not even taking into account the other 3 that are constantly running and moving about the midfield. (Candreva, Diego, DC)

It's called overlap.

There's your answer.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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What I want him to do is move and create space for maybe the 3 other attacking players we have to run into. I suppose there is nothing wrong with standing like a tree in the middle to give Inter's backline a place to lay and rest and catch some shade.

You're not even taking into account the other 3 that are constantly running and moving about the midfield. (Candreva, Diego, DC)

It's called overlap.

There's your answer.
Those three players are often running, but rarely close to Amauri or in useful areas when the ball is played long to Amauri, which is exactly what a target man needs.

Without players close to him, there is very little a target man with limited mobility can do.

And Amauri is not Iaquinta. He isn't going to make lung bursting 50 yard sprints into the channels. And anyway, when he does move, it doesn't help because other players aren't high enough up the pitch to take advantage of it.


I'm not suggesting Amauri has been good, but to single him out for criticism for the Inter game is unjustified.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Those three players are often running, but rarely close to Amauri or in useful areas when the ball is played long to Amauri, which is exactly what a target man needs.

Without players close to him, there is very little a target man with limited mobility can do.

And Amauri is not Iaquinta. He isn't going to make lung bursting 50 yard sprints into the channels. And anyway, when he does move, it doesn't help because other players aren't high enough up the pitch to take advantage of it.


I'm not suggesting Amauri has been good, but to single him out for criticism for the Inter game is unjustified.
I haven't singled him out for the Inter game as the only poor player. I have though singled him out for being our worst performer this season and based off of his tally IMO is justified.

He doesn't have to make lung bursting runs...simple 10 yard dashes to pull a defender away for an AM to squeeze through, and who knows maybe he will free himself from a marker in the process. His movement is poor, he stands in the middle with with his back to the closest defender and waits for the ball. Literally waits...when he gets a poor pass he can flail his hands in the air but no one says anything when he loses it over and over again.

Whenever he gets the ball he tends to start running right at goal when that is not always the best option. Hold it up for a change and wait for someone to overlap. I understand well that the movement from our Mids this season has been far from intelligent but Amauri needs to start working indirectly...not always with the ball. Work smart, not hard.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Very few people seem to like target man style forwards.

Aberdeen have a cracking target man and he gets dogs abuse for being lazy and not moving enough, because it's not his style to move much.

However, it becomes very apparent when he isn't in the side to provide a focal point and occupy a defender or two just how important his contribution is, even if it doesn't always look like he is doing much.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Very few people seem to like target man style forwards.

Aberdeen have a cracking target man and he gets dogs abuse for being lazy and not moving enough, because it's not his style to move much.

However, it becomes very apparent when he isn't in the side to provide a focal point and occupy a defender or two just how important his contribution is, even if it doesn't always look like he is doing much.
What are you saying then? That Amauri should occupy a defender? Then wait for the AMs to produce? When was the last time Amauri had a very decent (no header) shot on goal? We can get technical all you want, but bottom line for a striker to not really produce anything tangible (not just goals) is rather frightening when he earns over 3m a season.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Why don't we compare Amauri to Drogba....both playing as target man, both strong, good with their feet, powerful, stamina...granted one is white the other black but that is neither here nor there....Drogba at the end of the day gets the job done, earns his shillings and Amauri occupys a defender.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I'm just not willing to criticise individual aspects of the team when the entire team is playing horribly.

If the rest of the team improves and Amauri continues to underperform, then he deserves criticism.

Strikers always suffer more than others when the team is poor because they are reliant on service.
 

Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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I watched amauri intently during the inter game and he was typically rubbish. When we had the ball down the wing he made no attempt to get into a threatening position or make the defenders think. There was one instance where we had a dangerous cross into their area, amauri was in the box, the ball was played to the back post quite blatantly, and amauri ran to the front post, where 2 inter players were standing... he didnt even jump for the ball.

Amuri's off the ball movement is non existant. When we lump the ball forward he cant even win the ball in the middle of the park, he attempts to and then completely misses the ball. The few occasions where he does win the ball, he fouls someone. Then he constantly stands in offside positions. Add to all this the FACT that he is a rubbish finisher.

Amauri is a bus driver
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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I watched amauri intently during the inter game and he was typically rubbish. When we had the ball down the wing he made no attempt to get into a threatingin position or make the defenders think. There was one instance where we had a dangerous cross into their area, amauri was in the box, the ball was played to the back post quite blatantly, and amouri ran to the front post, where 2 inter players were standing... he didnt even jump for the ball.

Amuri's off the ball movement is non existant. When we lump the ball forward he cant even win the ball in the middle of the park, he attempts to and then completely misses the ball. The few occasions where he does win the ball, he fouls someone. Then he constantly stands in offside positions. Add to all this the FACT that he is a rubbish finisher. Amauri is a bus driver
:touched:
 

Joe

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Dec 20, 2009
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Why is it that the few games Del Piero plays he has gotten a few goals but Amauri who plays almost every game has gotten nothing in several months.

Maybe if he didn't clap so much everytime they lost the ball he would have more energy to move around the field to get open.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Excellent point. Trez/DP/IQ all seem to bag goals with the VERY LITTLE time they get. DP in his age, lack of fitness and sharpness can still hit a goal like he did last weekend. One shot, one goal...that's how its done
 

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