Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira (39 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

I agree the situation on Palla is tragic and esp if CR stays one more year,
maybe that would be better for him to move on.

Sacrificing Palla or Almiron or Nocerino or Tiago for Amauri is acceptable, along with a maximum fee of 10-15mil (as long as we take care our first priorities first though)
But i doubt Zamparini is that stupid, i actually think he is smarter than our managers and i am afraid we are going to get owned again, we will either drop one or two very promising youngsters, or we will spend most of our transfer budget to get Amauri. Palermo has many offers, they dont have to step back, not even a bit and Amauri probably costs more than we can currently offer, without a heavy sacrifice.

Huntelaar would be the ideal move, he was cheaper than Amauri, younger than Amauri, he can happily sit on the bench a couple of years until he fully adapts and some of our champions up front retire, he also plays as CF, not as SS like Amauri does, and bar Treze, we only have SSs. Tactical Hunter isnt a priority, but strategically, he makes a great sense. BUT unfortunately Real seems to be really interested on him and we cant compete with them, we never did, we never will...
thats why, we must find players, similar to the Hunter's profile, esp at position, age and price tag!

I see that we have 3 world champions in our attack to cover 2 positions,
those guys can effectively play a couple more years,
it is not a priority to buy a new forward now, since there are places, like the LB, which we only have Molinaro and absolutely no back up,
IF we buy two LBs, one LM, one CM, one CB first, then and only then, we can go ahead and make some fine tunings up front.
Buying a new forward will be a priority next year, our attack can wait one more year, our defense CANT !
When all of our starting eleven places reach Treze-DP-Iaquinta quality, then and only then we can start worrying about back ups and even better players than them!
If and when we bring a forward, he should be young enough to go 3-4 years beyond our current 3 strikers.
Thats why i said, it was a mistake to buy Iaquinta this year, we should buy Amauri instead, now our choice is made and we need to look forward to some other problems we have, quick fixes, like free players are no proper investments.

IMO we should spend our cash to buy starters in the places we suffer the most and bring a free forward as a back up or a promising one, as investment!
We only field eleven players in a game, there is no point fielding Treze+Amuri and also having DP+Iaquinta on the bench, while having Legro, Molinaro, Mellberg and Grygera at the back.

I would also go as far, as to suggest that we should replace some injury prone, squad players, like Marchionni, Zebina and probably Andrade before getting interested on further tuning our attack.
We are not Real, when they have any kind of problem, they just buy another forward, we are Juventus and we used to be a healthy and wise club!!!

Remember what Secco said few days ago.

* Talks about transfers, Melllberg is the only defender we are getting and there will be only 2 other transfers coming in.

* 4-4-2 is the formation of play and we will buy players according to them being able to play in it

* He defended the players brought and saying they should all be first choice and we have a great group of players.

For LB there are 2 possibilities I think:

1)Return De Ceglie and stick with Molinaro

2)Buy some of Dossena/Grosso/Modesto umpkin: and stick with Molinaro

So we won`t buy two LBs.

Nedved will stay one more year and Giovinco will be his sub and get this his chance by time hopefully.If something happens Salihamidzic will cover it I guess.There`s just no way we`re going to buy another AML.

Funny you didn`t mention AMR though?I think that will be our mistake.This year Camo missed many matches and not to mention Marchionni since he missed almost 80% of the season.So if Camo gets injured we`d be stuck with Nocerino or Sali. umpkin: We should sell Marco and buy someone good and not injury prone.

We will probably get one CM as you mentioned.Will it be van der Vaart,Diego,Gilbero Silva,Lucho or Lampard...Ranieri will probably stay,sady,so I think from all those players we`ll end up with Lampard.Wouldn`t be surprised if we get Giberto though.

Yet again,our staff doesn`t want new CB sadly!We have Legro,Andrade,Chiellini and Mellberg is coming.Criscito could return eventually.

Our RBs are not that good covered.Zebina is injury prone but anyway when he isn`t he`ll get a red card soon.Grygera played 2 good matches in a row but he`s showing his real face again.

Attack is not covered well considering that we`d lose 90% of matches if Del Piero gets injured next year!

Iaquinta can`t solve the match on his own in most of the cases.But Amauri can.

 

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[Cronios]

Remember what Secco said few days ago.

* Talks about transfers, Melllberg is the only defender we are getting and there will be only 2 other transfers coming in.

* 4-4-2 is the formation of play and we will buy players according to them being able to play in it

* He defended the players brought and saying they should all be first choice and we have a great group of players.

For LB there are 2 possibilities I think:

1)Return De Ceglie and stick with Molinaro

2)Buy some of Dossena/Grosso/Modesto umpkin: and stick with Molinaro

So we won`t buy two LBs.

Nedved will stay one more year and Giovinco will be his sub and get this his chance by time hopefully.If something happens Salihamidzic will cover it I guess.There`s just no way we`re going to buy another AML.

Funny you didn`t mention AMR though?I think that will be our mistake.This year Camo missed many matches and not to mention Marchionni since he missed almost 80% of the season.So if Camo gets injured we`d be stuck with Nocerino or Sali. umpkin: We should sell Marco and buy someone good and not injury prone.

We will probably get one CM as you mentioned.Will it be van der Vaart,Diego,Gilbero Silva,Lucho or Lampard...Ranieri will probably stay,sady,so I think from all those players we`ll end up with Lampard.Wouldn`t be surprised if we get Giberto though.

Yet again,our staff doesn`t want new CB sadly!We have Legro,Andrade,Chiellini and Mellberg is coming.Criscito could return eventually.

Our RBs are not that good covered.Zebina is injury prone but anyway when he isn`t he`ll get a red card soon.Grygera played 2 good matches in a row but he`s showing his real face again.

Attack is not covered well considering that we`d lose 90% of matches if Del Piero gets injured next year!

Iaquinta can`t solve the match on his own in most of the cases.But Amauri can.

De Ceglie + Grosso would be good enough, but that would involve not giving him to Palermo as a part xchange for Amauri, then we would have to buy another, creating a problem were it shouldnt be!!
Or buying a new top class CB and move Chiellini back to the LB would solve all of our defensive problems with one move!!! De Ceglie + Molinaro are decent back up and there is no need to spend more money on the defense!

I agree that Giovinco can try and be Neddy's choice but i am afraid he cant, in the straight 4-4-2 formation we play, we need a winger with great pace, great stamina, excellent crosses and good defending skills. These are not Giovinco's characteristics, the guy is a central midfielder, i am afraid that CR might waste him, as he did with Palla, misusing him just as a quick fix...

The CM will not be such a problem, financial, we already have Sissoko and two wonderful back ups, in the faces of Zanetti and Marchisio, so we only have to add a very good CM with the money, our failures, Almiron+Tiago will bring in.
Now if we buy an AMF and change our plans using a diamond 4-4-2 that would be the best solution to solve our creativity problems and make a proper use of Giovinco!! A world class AMF and Giovinco as a back up would be ideal!!

More than a CM, we really need a new world class winger, even if Neddy stays one more year, he would only be as good as a back up, he already gave us much more than a player should, we need to stop being Neddy dependent one year before he retires! A new top class winger is a top priority and we can sacrifice Marchionni for that! Maxi Rodr is good enough, but would they accept Tiago?

Our RBs sux, but they are pretty low in our priority list, it was a strategical mistake to bring in Grygera, but the choice is made, we can live with these for one more year, i guess, (unless we get a proper offer to sell Zebi to an EPL team and upgrade)
Our LB situation is tragic though, we must take care o this immediately!!

The CB situation is complicated, we have many squad players, but we don have material, good enough to be labeled Juvetus CB starter (other than Chiellini)
If we keep Chie as CB, i reckon we wont buy a new CB, but i totally disagree with our managers here, i can see us regretting this, as we regretted many other times again!!!
Lets wait and see if Legro and Mellberg are CL material and if this is the way to make Juve powerful as before...

We short these issues firsat, before start worrying about Amauri, but unfortunately, i see that our managers neglet them !

 

[Dostoevsky]

De Ceglie + Grosso would be good enough, but that would involve not giving him to Palermo as a part xchange for Amauri, then we would have to buy another, creating a problem were it shouldnt be!!
Or buying a new top class CB and move Chiellini back to the LB would solve all of our defensive problems with one move!!! De Ceglie + Molinaro are decent back up and there is no need to spend more money on the defense!

I also think Grosso would do well but I doubt it will happen though.Anyway if we don`t give them De Ceglie there are plenty more options here.We can give them some of Almiron,Nocerino(loan/co-ownship),Criscito and probably best one,Marcionni since they always wanted him.

I agree that Giovinco can try and be Neddy's choice but i am afraid he cant, in the straight 4-4-2 formation we play, we need a winger with great pace, great stamina, excellent crosses and good defending skills. These are not Giovinco's characteristics, the guy is a central midfielder, i am afraid that CR might waste him, as he did with Palla, misusing him just as a quick fix...

Wouldn`t be surprised though.

The CM will not be such a problem, financial, we already have Sissoko and two wonderful back ups, in the faces of Zanetti and Marchisio, so we only have to add a very good CM with the money, our failures, Almiron+Tiago will bring in.
Now if we buy an AMF and change our plans using a diamond 4-4-2 that would be the best solution to solve our creativity problems and make a proper use of Giovinco!! A world class AMF and Giovinco as a back up would be ideal!!

I agree and I`d buy Diego/van der Vaart there but I don`t know if Ranieri would buy some other position in middle except DM...

More than a CM, we really need a new world class winger, even if Neddy stays one more year, he would only be as good as a back up, he already gave us much more than a player should, we need to stop being Neddy dependent one year before he retires! A new top class winger is a top priority and we can sacrifice Marchionni for that! Maxi Rodr is good enough, but would they accept Tiago?

They would probably take Tiago and Maxi is good but no since he`s AMR.

The CB situation is complicated, we have many squad players, but we don have material, good enough to be labeled Juvetus CB starter (other than Chiellini)
If we keep Chie as CB, i reckon we wont buy a new CB, but i totally disagree with our managers here, i can see us regretting this, as we regretted many other times again!!!
Lets wait and see if Legro and Mellberg are CL material and if this is the way to make Juve powerful as before...

If you ask me I`d never put Chiellini on the left ever again.He`s very good CB and he should stay there.Even if Mellberg is coming I`m very surprised with decision out staff made.Even so,I think we should buy some great CB like R.Carvalho,Zapata or maybe even Alex.Also,I`d still consider Ivanovic since he`d solve our problem as CB and on the right.

 

[Gill_juve]

chiellini has proved that hes a gem in the middle, it would be soo inefficient to even move him out there and then have to buy a cb who is somehow better and that will cost a lot of money.

 

[Salvo]

chiellini has proved that hes a gem in the middle, it would be soo inefficient to even move him out there and then have to buy a cb who is somehow better and that will cost a lot of money.

ZAPATA!

him and chiellini would be amazing!

 

[Kosta]

Zapata and Vagras for our back line would be a dream come true. :dreaming:

 

[Fred]

Amauri is one of the best strikers in Italy no doubt about it, that isn't going to change even tough some wanckers here seem to think otherwise. However I don't think we should give them our youngsters like De Ceglie, Marchisio and certainly not Giovincio
Go get Amauri but not at any price

Giovinco shouldnt be sacrificed for anyone, he's obviously a talent for the future..i dont know about De Ceglie, but i never really understood the hype around Marchisio, granted i dont watch Empoli much, but from the few games i have watched them in, he never really stood out as that spectacular talent everybody talks about.

 

[Salvo]

Giovinco shouldnt be sacrificed for anyone, he's obviously a talent for the future..i dont know about De Ceglie, but i never really understood the hype around Marchisio, granted i dont watch Empoli much, but from the few games i have watched them in, he never really stood out as that spectacular talent everybody talks about.

of course he shouldnt be sacrificed. as for de ceglie he can become very good, also marchsio

 

[Luca]

personally I view marchisio as the best talent we have after giovinco. His tactical awareness is amazing for someone his age

 

[Fred]

personally I view marchisio as the best talent we have after giovinco. His tactical awareness is amazing for someone his age

no offence but, that isnt much of an achievement,is it? your other youngsters are hardly world beaters.(barring Giovinco of course)

 

[Luca]

no offence but, that isnt much of an achievement,is it? your other youngsters are hardly world beaters.(barring Giovinco of course)

well it is considering we didn't steal players from other countries/clubs.
You watch him in a few years time he will be great he is much more talented than nocerino

 

[Fred]

You watch him in a few years time he will be great he is much more talented than nocerino

Again not much of an achievement.

well it is considering we didn't steal players from other countries/clubs.

Whats that got to do with anything?

Grow up.

 

[Luca]

firstly i was comparing him to our only other central midfielder who is from the same youth acadamy.

secondly why should I grow up, at least our club is not ruining our countries chance of finding new talent.

 

[Cronios]

no offence but, that isnt much of an achievement,is it? your other youngsters are hardly world beaters.(barring Giovinco of course)

De Ceglie and Paro arent half bad:sick:

 

[Osman]

Rest assured Fred, Marchiso is a very good talent, I dont need to compare to the rest of our average talents, but he is very solid DM, and a overall Box to box CM too (he has shut down Camo easily when we faced them, and against Milan he was great).

Would improve our squad since e is the perfect kind of squad player we need. Right now we rely on useless Nocerino and scared little Tiago bit too much to fill in the gaps. Competent Cms like Marchiso is considerably more preferable (rather call him back then waste money on Cigarini).

If you watch u-21 footie, you would have noticed how he is allways stellar and keeps the team together (easily the best of them after Giovinco and Rossi). He indeed plays like he is several years older.

 

[Dominic]

Marchisio generally isn't the type of player that stands out, but if you concentrate on his performance you'll notice how good he is. He rarely misspasses, he rarely gets caught being out of position and he has a good drive both offensively and defensively.

 

[Gill_juve]

^^ yes, he was great against milan even though they lost.

 

[Fred]

firstly i was comparing him to our only other central midfielder who is from the same youth acadamy.

secondly why should I grow up, at least our club is not ruining our countries chance of finding new talent.

your just showing how brainwashed you are by your own media. Was it that hard to give a good informative post like those two??

On second thought, for you it probably is hard.

Rest assured Fred, Marchiso is a very good talent, I dont need to compare to the rest of our average talents, but he is very solid DM, and a overall Box to box CM too (he has shut down Camo easily when we faced them, and against Milan he was great).

Would improve our squad since e is the perfect kind of squad player we need. Right now we rely on useless Nocerino and scared little Tiago bit too much to fill in the gaps. Competent Cms like Marchiso is considerably more preferable (rather call him back then waste money on Cigarini).

If you watch u-21 footie, you would have noticed how he is allways stellar and keeps the team together (easily the best of them after Giovinco and Rossi). He indeed plays like he is several years older.

Marchisio generally isn't the type of player that stands out, but if you concentrate on his performance you'll notice how good he is. He rarely misspasses, he rarely gets caught being out of position and he has a good drive both offensively and defensively.

Thanks for the info guys, like i said, havent really seen him much(other than empoli against the big teams). So i'm not really in a position to judge him.

 

[Cronios]

C mon guys, were have you been when we were in serie B, those guys were starters there for a while, they proved their value among some of our champions, how can we challenge their quality now??

And Marchisio certainly is very skillful since he started his carrier as a forward and his physique allows to become a strong CM

 

[Fred]

C mon guys, were have you been when we were in serie B, those guys were starters there for a while, they proved their value among some of our champions, how can we challenge their quality now??

And Marchisio certainly is very skillful since he started he carrier as a forward and his physique allows to become a strong CM

Rio Ferdinand started as a forward too