Alexis Sánchez - Barcelona - ST (28 Viewers)
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Sanchez is a lovely player, but how do you guys see him in our 3-5-2 possession based football? I just don't see him there and I'm convinced that we will get from him as much as Barcelona are getting. We'll be wasting a great potential. And I just don't see us returning to the 4-3-3 where he'll explode.
He spent most of the matches on the right side, acting almost like a winger, exploiting the space Udinese were given by the other teams. In any case, not the formation per se, but the tactics and the style of Barcelona and Juventus are the obstacle.
On the other hand, the surrounding in Juve can not be underestimated (Vidal and Isla) and the presence of two expensive purchases like Sanchez and Isla could lead to some changes in our tactics and we might get the best out of those two.
I can't see us buying an expensive attacker in the summer, so I'm all for loaning Sanchez. But I won't be surprised if Conte fails to get the best out of him.
On the other hand, the surrounding in Juve can not be underestimated (Vidal and Isla) and the presence of two expensive purchases like Sanchez and Isla could lead to some changes in our tactics and we might get the best out of those two.
I can't see us buying an expensive attacker in the summer, so I'm all for loaning Sanchez. But I won't be surprised if Conte fails to get the best out of him.
Exactly 
Said it many times, he shined half a season at a counterattacking udinese, exploiting space. Like giovinco at parma. Like so many fullbacks.
But when playing for an offensive team making the play where space is alot tigher, things get entirely diffrent.
Giovinco chokes against decent opponents, and sanchez isnt nearly as good playing for barcelona, altho spain still allows quite some room.
Maybe conte can reschool him. he did it before with other players.
Id welcome a loan very much. But for the love of whatever imaginary thing you believe in, dont by him outright
Said it many times, he shined half a season at a counterattacking udinese, exploiting space. Like giovinco at parma. Like so many fullbacks.
But when playing for an offensive team making the play where space is alot tigher, things get entirely diffrent.
Giovinco chokes against decent opponents, and sanchez isnt nearly as good playing for barcelona, altho spain still allows quite some room.
Maybe conte can reschool him. he did it before with other players.
Id welcome a loan very much. But for the love of whatever imaginary thing you believe in, dont by him outright
Wenger has always said that more than 3 signings in a transfer market is a madness.
So, they will only made 3 signs of 23million each one?
So, they will only made 3 signs of 23million each one?
Some of the stuff they played in the season they won the CL in Rome was brilliant (though they played Messi in the middle in the final).
The team actually played in a penetrating fashion that they just don't threaten any more.
They've even managed to convince Pedro to be shit and start wandering around deep. When he first appeared, his movement running in behind a defence was great.
They've even managed to convince Pedro to be shit and start wandering around deep. When he first appeared, his movement running in behind a defence was great.
IMO, most of you are right when you see Sanchez as a more counter-attacking player. I would also say that he is not lost in possession style either though. I'd say he's more like a 60-40 balance between the two, favouring the counter attack.
But that's not a bad thing!
We don't have any forward options that work well in a counter attack except Matri because of his great movement. Mirko is too lazy to run the whole field, Quagliarella can't run period and Giovinco can only run (no brain). Llorente is questionable IMO. I don't want to rule him out completely but at this point from what I've seen, I can't say he would be a reliable countering option. Forget Anelka and whatever else we have on loan, they're not here next year.
Counter attacking is still a highly effective style of play not just to win games but to conserve energy throughout the season. It also lets you play worse players more comfortably. It's hard to fit in backups in a possession system because you need actual superior footballing talent to hold possession from another team all game. And then the obvious advantage of having TWO effective styles of play before you even factor in formations is a bonus when opponents are game-planning you.
FFS, we were countering against Celtic. Are we sure there will be no other times where it would be smarter to sit back? Of course there will be.
The games against Inter, Milan, Shakhtar and even Fiorentina at the start would not have had the same outcome if we could have switched gears and absorbed their pressure a bit easier or had a threat to counter that they had to respect. We are still susceptible to pressuring sides. IMO, we've been fortunate that most sides prefer to play timid tactics against us instead of pressuring us throughout the match.
Against Celtic we did not look good, I don't care what anyone thinks. The overall strategy was ok but the personnel did not perform it well with the exception of our defense and one player up top: Matri. If you take Matri, a player that can counter effectively, out of that game, I'm not even sure we win.
But that's not a bad thing!
We don't have any forward options that work well in a counter attack except Matri because of his great movement. Mirko is too lazy to run the whole field, Quagliarella can't run period and Giovinco can only run (no brain). Llorente is questionable IMO. I don't want to rule him out completely but at this point from what I've seen, I can't say he would be a reliable countering option. Forget Anelka and whatever else we have on loan, they're not here next year.
Counter attacking is still a highly effective style of play not just to win games but to conserve energy throughout the season. It also lets you play worse players more comfortably. It's hard to fit in backups in a possession system because you need actual superior footballing talent to hold possession from another team all game. And then the obvious advantage of having TWO effective styles of play before you even factor in formations is a bonus when opponents are game-planning you.
FFS, we were countering against Celtic. Are we sure there will be no other times where it would be smarter to sit back? Of course there will be.
The games against Inter, Milan, Shakhtar and even Fiorentina at the start would not have had the same outcome if we could have switched gears and absorbed their pressure a bit easier or had a threat to counter that they had to respect. We are still susceptible to pressuring sides. IMO, we've been fortunate that most sides prefer to play timid tactics against us instead of pressuring us throughout the match.
Against Celtic we did not look good, I don't care what anyone thinks. The overall strategy was ok but the personnel did not perform it well with the exception of our defense and one player up top: Matri. If you take Matri, a player that can counter effectively, out of that game, I'm not even sure we win.
Llorente, obviously, doesn't have the pace to really carry the ball as part of a counter-attacking team.
However, he can be relied upon to make good decisions - with and without the ball - to make the most of counter-attacking opportunities if he has pace around him.
The Bilbao team he played it was certainly dangerous on the break with Munian, De Marcos, etc. supporting.
However, he can be relied upon to make good decisions - with and without the ball - to make the most of counter-attacking opportunities if he has pace around him.
The Bilbao team he played it was certainly dangerous on the break with Munian, De Marcos, etc. supporting.
Very good post Mike
Currently, giovinco is supposed to be our "counterattack" specialist, but only did so against chelsea at home efficiently.
Now while sanchez is good at it, i'm still reservated cause the other mentionned SS are good at possession, and to a bit lesser extend then sanchez ,are also good on the counterattack.
The reason Sanchez could work is indeed the counter, but the added value of llorente.
I think it was red who noticed Llorento to a) act like a targetman as vucinic but much deeper, weight on defence and a threat, and b) because of that its good to pair him with a mobile ss
Now the space between mid and attack, if conte can get Sanchez to use the space that Llorente creates, with marchisio or vidal following behind that, it could be very potent indeed, and pretty hard to defend against.
Like for example Napoli using Cavani's target capabilities, and players like hamsik using the space he creates effectively
Most important is wether conte thinks he can pull this off, but iirc he liked sanchez very much and wanted him here in the first place
Currently, giovinco is supposed to be our "counterattack" specialist, but only did so against chelsea at home efficiently.
Now while sanchez is good at it, i'm still reservated cause the other mentionned SS are good at possession, and to a bit lesser extend then sanchez ,are also good on the counterattack.
The reason Sanchez could work is indeed the counter, but the added value of llorente.
I think it was red who noticed Llorento to a) act like a targetman as vucinic but much deeper, weight on defence and a threat, and b) because of that its good to pair him with a mobile ss
Now the space between mid and attack, if conte can get Sanchez to use the space that Llorente creates, with marchisio or vidal following behind that, it could be very potent indeed, and pretty hard to defend against.
Like for example Napoli using Cavani's target capabilities, and players like hamsik using the space he creates effectively
Most important is wether conte thinks he can pull this off, but iirc he liked sanchez very much and wanted him here in the first place
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