Alexis Sánchez - Barcelona - ST (8 Viewers)
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And then join the Pastore bandwagon when he plays a great match 
Both are very exciting talents who offer something different. It's a matter of taste, but I always preferred fighters and explosive players, so I pick Sanchez. In Juve too I think the Chilean would do better. He's technically superb, but he's also very similar to those "Juve style" legends like Nedved and the likes. Strong like a bull physically and seems strong mentally too. Pastore's technique is also superb and he's an amazing talent too, but I dislike it that he reminds me physically and mentally of Tiago and Aquilani. Apart from talent, we also need some strong characters to push us out of this deep shit.
I obviously won' complain if we get Pastore, though.
Both are very exciting talents who offer something different. It's a matter of taste, but I always preferred fighters and explosive players, so I pick Sanchez. In Juve too I think the Chilean would do better. He's technically superb, but he's also very similar to those "Juve style" legends like Nedved and the likes. Strong like a bull physically and seems strong mentally too. Pastore's technique is also superb and he's an amazing talent too, but I dislike it that he reminds me physically and mentally of Tiago and Aquilani. Apart from talent, we also need some strong characters to push us out of this deep shit.
I obviously won' complain if we get Pastore, though.
I think most here would also prefer the physically strong, harder worker, no matter what two players we're comparing. But as you know, Alen, you can't build a team entirely around that. Thankfully we've had the likes of Del Piero and Baggio over the years who had the technique, vision, and lack of bullish mentality to mix things up. All great sides need someone to slow things down, change the play up, and offer something different.
That's where Pastore might come in. Not necessarily a new "Del Piero" or whatever cliche people throw around, but someone to provide the unexpected.
I was only telling you who would I prefer between those two in particular and if Sanchez wasn't so sickly talented, he could have been the strongest player in the world and I'd have chosen Pastore, because this team desperately needs talent, as we both agree. But the small Chilean is also blessed with great technical ability.
Pastore has an edge in playmaking, though. Sanchez is a sick little dribbler, with great pace and occasionally he can make a great pass with an excellent through ball, but Pastore is superior in that aspect.
Pastore has an edge in playmaking, though. Sanchez is a sick little dribbler, with great pace and occasionally he can make a great pass with an excellent through ball, but Pastore is superior in that aspect.
And then join the Pastore bandwagon when he plays a great match
Both are very exciting talents who offer something different. It's a matter of taste, but I always preferred fighters and explosive players, so I pick Sanchez. In Juve too I think the Chilean would do better. He's technically superb, but he's also very similar to those "Juve style" legends like Nedved and the likes. Strong like a bull physically and seems strong mentally too. Pastore's technique is also superb and he's an amazing talent too, but I dislike it that he reminds me physically and mentally of Tiago and Aquilani. Apart from talent, we also need some strong characters to push us out of this deep shit.
I obviously won' complain if we get Pastore, though.
Both are very exciting talents who offer something different. It's a matter of taste, but I always preferred fighters and explosive players, so I pick Sanchez. In Juve too I think the Chilean would do better. He's technically superb, but he's also very similar to those "Juve style" legends like Nedved and the likes. Strong like a bull physically and seems strong mentally too. Pastore's technique is also superb and he's an amazing talent too, but I dislike it that he reminds me physically and mentally of Tiago and Aquilani. Apart from talent, we also need some strong characters to push us out of this deep shit.
I obviously won' complain if we get Pastore, though.
Do you see the contradiction?
No, Sanchez is not a strong mentality character and a fighter ala Pavluska. Yes I would buy him (and agree with your assessment of his talent, though I prefer Pastore because he is more create things out of nothing player, its a moot point, both quality), but no, kid has dissappeared from games for his short career so far until this season, exactly because he isnt what you described him as in your second post. Character/mentality wise not much of a fuera checa material, physically he is explosive and dynamic, but lacked end product/was very raw diamond until this season because he generally been fixed in the rut of "I'll do this run/dribble, and if it doesnt work, screw it" kinda approach (bit like Zarate, except not being a total retard part, footballing brain wise).
And I dont fret too much of player type/character, but quality. Even if I want Nedved cloned, it doesnt necessarily mean players who arent like him are all Tiago's (Pastore is lanky and not quick, but he isnt some afraid little cat, as Aquilani is a bit on the pitch, physical appearance/qualities is not much of a factor).
I actually agree. He disappointed me a lot in the past.
Btw, he's not disappearing from games. When he was willing to play he was kicking it from 1 to 90. His problem was that he was disappearing for weeks. Even lost his spot in the starting XI to Pepe at some points.
But I see a fighter in him when I watch his playing style. He fouls, he fights and he runs up and down like a maniac.
As you said, though, the problem was that he was doing that only when he felt like it and, which is worrying, only against bigger teams or on the biggest stage (World Cup). In the last months he's playing great against everyone, but I'm not sure if he's changed or he's just trying to sell his ass.
Btw, he's not disappearing from games. When he was willing to play he was kicking it from 1 to 90. His problem was that he was disappearing for weeks. Even lost his spot in the starting XI to Pepe at some points.
But I see a fighter in him when I watch his playing style. He fouls, he fights and he runs up and down like a maniac.
As you said, though, the problem was that he was doing that only when he felt like it and, which is worrying, only against bigger teams or on the biggest stage (World Cup). In the last months he's playing great against everyone, but I'm not sure if he's changed or he's just trying to sell his ass.
Yeah know he was benched alot, mainly for inconsistent work eithic because he blew everyone away in individual plays. And yeah he has bit of a temperament, I was suprised first time I saw him in some NT youth game, was really fiery and aggressive for such a technical player, but quickly realized its a deceptive quality. Not a Pavel type, because yeah hot and cold, just decided in certain time periods he wouldnt put in much effort to performances.
Though this is not uncommon for young players, and I'm not too worried about it (can be polished, someone like Ferguson for example is great). He is having his real breakthrough season, polishing his game, because besides lack of effort, his main problem was decision making (was set on doing same runs/dribbles regardless of sitautions, hence bit raw), but this season, and saw bits of it last season, he defenitely improved on that (and while playing different role to booth). Not too worried he will lose his groove. Or decide he wont bother anymore.
If there is a worry, it would be when things turn sore, benched, injured etc. Character shows in those scenarios. For example Robinho is a fantastic talent/player when he wants to be, but any setback at all, and he completely shuts down his productive performances. Poor attitude/mindset, footballing wise (though can bit mix and such, someone like Zlatan or Balotelli can have poor attitudes, clashes or setbacks, but it rarely effects their actual performances).
I wish it was bit simple at times, for example, someone like Jovetic, kid has talent AND the unquestionable fighting mentality/attitude, gives his all, regardless of games.
Though this is not uncommon for young players, and I'm not too worried about it (can be polished, someone like Ferguson for example is great). He is having his real breakthrough season, polishing his game, because besides lack of effort, his main problem was decision making (was set on doing same runs/dribbles regardless of sitautions, hence bit raw), but this season, and saw bits of it last season, he defenitely improved on that (and while playing different role to booth). Not too worried he will lose his groove. Or decide he wont bother anymore.
If there is a worry, it would be when things turn sore, benched, injured etc. Character shows in those scenarios. For example Robinho is a fantastic talent/player when he wants to be, but any setback at all, and he completely shuts down his productive performances. Poor attitude/mindset, footballing wise (though can bit mix and such, someone like Zlatan or Balotelli can have poor attitudes, clashes or setbacks, but it rarely effects their actual performances).
I wish it was bit simple at times, for example, someone like Jovetic, kid has talent AND the unquestionable fighting mentality/attitude, gives his all, regardless of games.
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