Alessio Secco (38 Viewers)

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Typical Secco and this is why i hate him so much!!

He never learns from his mistakes, trusting Molinaro and DC already backfired once!!

He never admits his mistakes and try to find any other lame excuse, but admitting them... He FAILED hard in the Criscito deal. He said that the situation is in our hands,
when we loaned him out, he ensured that we will call him back by the end of his loan and it will not be a co deal this time!!
He gave him away in the only he is really really fond of, and the greatest list to lose him. And now he helps Genoa buying him, without even having to pay the whole sum right away and without even ask for our opinion and still keep the player in the process!
That was the ownage of the century. Secco should better keep his mouth shut for that! Ferrara asked Criscito back, or at least a new LB.

I agree that spending Criscito's half on Grosso's transfer fee and salary is not wise either! But atm, our hands are tied, we will lose Criscito anyway and we without the cash to buy someone like Andre just now.

Pretty pathetic situation in our LB, but still Secco shows against the arrogance of previous years, believing that he is always right, when he is ruining our club.
Once again, he is bound to eat his words and we are going to regret the day he was born...

PATHETIC and we did this to our selves...
 

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Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Typical Secco and this is why i hate him so much!!

He never learns from his mistakes, trusting Molinaro and DC already backfired once!!


He never admits his mistakes and try to find any other lame excuse, but admitting them... He FAILED hard in the Criscito deal. He said that the situation is in our hands,
when we loaned him out, he ensured that we will call him back by the end of his loan and it will not be a co deal this time!!
He gave him away in the only he is really really fond of, and the greatest list to lose him. And now he helps Genoa buying him, without even having to pay the whole sum right away and without even ask for our opinion and still keep the player in the process!
That was the ownage of the century. Secco should better keep his mouth shut for that! Ferrara asked Criscito back, or at least a new LB.

I agree that spending Criscito's half on Grosso's transfer fee and salary is not wise either! But atm, our hands are tied, we will lose Criscito anyway and we without the cash to buy someone like Andre just now.

Pretty pathetic situation in our LB, but still Secco shows against the arrogance of previous years, believing that he is always right, when he is ruining our club.
Once again, he is bound to eat his words and we are going to regret the day he was born...

PATHETIC and we did this to our selves...
Where did you gather that this was Secco's decision and not Ferrara's or the (rest of) the board's?
 

tibike

Senior Member
Dec 11, 2007
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Frankly, considering the LBs we were most linked with (Dossena, Grosso), I'm fine with sticking to Moli and DC. Also, I don't think there's a chance of buying the likes Maxwell or Filipe for a reasonable price, as there are so few quality fullbacks available.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Where did you gather that this was Secco's decision and not Ferrara's or the (rest of) the board's?
Because Ferrara asked for Criscito and then for Grosso and always said that we need more defenders to complete this team!

Accusing him, only to defend Secco is really ... evil... that was not on Ferrara's shoulders.
People are always hurry to blame Ferrara for that, even before the season started, thats tooooo bad... If everything goes bad, Ferrara will be the scapegoat and Gigli, Secco and co will be once again on the loose, free to make more damage, it seems that some people never learn...

I m just sorry that we will destroy Ferrara's coaching carrier, for their mistakes...
Thats why i did nit want him to join, before he would afford to take that damage and survive as a coach...

Ferrara is forced to accept playing with the handicap of an unbalanced team.
Ferrara is forced to play with an incompetent team!!
Ferrara is forced to accept our board's choices!! Thats why the kept him!

IMO he should be kept responsible for his mistakes, not theirs!!
What makes you think that Ferrara set as a priority to buy a 25mil CM/DM,
instead of any defenders??
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Because Ferrara asked for Criscito and then for Grosso and always said that we need more defenders to complete this team!

Accusing him, only to defend Secco is really ... evil... that was not on Ferrara's shoulders.
People are always hurry to blame Ferrara for that, even before the season started, thats tooooo bad... If everything goes bad, Ferrara will be the scapegoat and Gigli, Secco and co will be once again on the loose, free to make more damage, it seems that some people never learn...

I m just sorry that we will destroy Ferrara's coaching carrier, for their mistakes...
Thats why i did nit want him to join, before he would afford to take that damage and survive as a coach...
I'm not accusing Ciro here. If anything I want him to succeed, as should every Juve fan. And I think he will succeed (nothing to go by here though, just a hunch).

Ferrara asked for Criscito a few weeks ago (actually he didn't really ask for him, he mentioned he could use him). That was back when it looked like Molinaro wasn't going to be ready in time for the upcoming season. If Moli wasn't going to be ready (and possibly out for many months), it's quite obvious we would need one more LB.
A couple of days ago we got the news Molinaro was 100% fit. Since then I haven't seen a single comment from Ferrara that we would be needing extra defenders.

Look, I'm not saying that it was Ferrara who decided we don't need any extra defenders because I don't know that. It may have been his decision, it may have been the board's decision. For all we know they decided on this together.
You on the other hand are saying that this is Secco's (or the complete board's) decision while you have absolutely no way of knowing this.

You just shouldn't criticize someone for making a certain decision when you can't be sure he is the one that made the decision.
 

El Santo

El Enmascarado de Plata
Nov 26, 2008
2,414
Cronios. you need to realize, that Criscito didn't want to come back man. He say some bull shit that he rather play in Napoli. Screw him man. hence the thread name "The Infidel". Why in the hell will you want a player that doesn't want to play for you??..and how do you know what Ferrara thinks or knows?? Have you thought of the idea maybe he change his plans because of the acquisition of melo? knowing that midfield could tremendously help out our defense for at least one more season. and i mean we do have DC. have trust on the kid. this could be his season:agree:
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
-We have seen our board is unwilling to invest on everything but our defense,
for the past 3 years!! Did you missed that??
-We know that the have signed CR and Ferrara, because they wont to keep the control of our incoming players!
-Ferrara expressed his will when he had the chance and asked for a LB.
-Secco FAILED, miserable to bring Criscito back and easily keep the situation under control, as he claimed!
-Then our board wanted to bring a new prestige player "Grosso" and Ferrara proved that transfer, clearly admitting our need for an extra LB.
But they also had in mind to throw away DC on a co op deal, for Dago.
-Ferrara said that he has DC in our plans (normally, as he is currently our only offensive fullback)
-However our board considered buying a CM/DM and spending everything we have for him, is our priority!
-Then they said that we dont have any more money left to make new acquisitions!
And just because of that, they leave no option to Ferrara and he will have to accept and obey the situation, probably even forced to show his approval on our board's transfer policy!


I think, that it is pretty clear, who is holding the ball here and who is making those decisions!
The contrast of ideas is colorful enough to show that our board and Ferrara had different views, but also that Ferrara did not have the authority to go his way!
And just now, right when our last cent is given away, Molinaro happens to return and our need suddenly fades away...

You may not wish any harm to Ferrara, but your arguments can be used against him, as they have already been used against him on other threads!
We should respect Ferrara and bare him the fault for the mistakes our board has committed before in the past and are clearly their policy!

Ferrara's influence is minimal! His fault on those strategical mistakes are minimal too. Even of he agreed to trust DC and not to buy a new LB for now, it is not his fault Secco lost Criscito. We should at least not blaming Ferrara for that!
 

joeypro

New Member
Aug 26, 2008
36
The reason he said all of that shit is because Secco and co. didn't show any interest in him. Don't tell me that Crisicito would turn down the option of rejoining Juve.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Cronios. you need to realize, that Criscito didn't want to come back man. He say some bull shit that he rather play in Napoli. Screw him man. hence the thread name "The Infidel". Why in the hell will you want a player that doesn't want to play for you??..and how do you know what Ferrara thinks or knows?? Have you thought of the idea maybe he change his plans because of the acquisition of melo? knowing that midfield could tremendously help out our defense for at least one more season. and i mean we do have DC. have trust on the kid. this could be his season:agree:
This is a poor excuse.
We all knew that Criscito was feeling very well in Genoa, even before we got him.
But we paid a fortune to get him back and he is now our player, whatever wants it or not!
CR clearly misused him, really bad!!! Thats not Criscito's fault. It is his fault to ask for more playing time, but not his fault to be treated like that!!

We made a great strategical mistake, showing him the door out at a middle of a CB crisis. That really showed him, that we dont rate him AT ALL!!!

Our relation with the player reached a critical status. But our investment on him was great and so was his potential.
Shipping him out like that, at that particular moment was a HUGE tactical mistake, that affected both our choices then and his view on our team.

From all the teams, we should prevent of loaning him to Genoa, simply because he liked there more than he did with us.
He was too young to think otherwise, what he needed was more trust and better guidance. At least a different exp, a new enviroment.
But we made the greatest mistake possible of giving him again the highest contrast. We thrown him away like useless garbage, where they accept him as a valuable asset for their present and future!!

I called it right there a HUGE, a critical strategical mistake, a danger to lose him permanently. We should keep him, or loan him into an another team, in order to understand that its not Juve the problem, but the highest competition levels.
Now we made a battle between us and Genoa.

A battle we couldnt possibly lose, as we were holding Criscito's full contract and fate on our hands. Still it was a GREAT and above all unnecessary risk.
Everyone showed that coming but Secco.

At least he ensured us, that this time we wont risk losing 3 youngsters to get his half back again.
And we will have the total control of the player, we will call him back when we need him and there wont be any co op deals involved!!

Why o why on hell, did we conceded him with a clause that gives Genoa the upper hand to get him permanently??

There is no other serie A team, more interested to him than Genoa and there is no other Serie A team, that Criscito seems so comfortable!!

Why would we give them away to them?? Its 1000% OUR fault, not Criscito's!!
We gave them the right to extend the loan and the right to keep him more and buy his hjalf, without even asking us!!!
WHY would we conceded all that?? Just why?? And why on them, of all teams??

This deal allows Genoa to keep him one more year and consolidate their place in Criscito's heart, it shows that we are not interested on his services.
And furthermore allows them to complete the deal of signing him without a sweat.
They would never be able to gather 10-15mil to buy Criscito.
But we gave the right to buy his half for just 5.5 and then let them one whole year, to gather further 5.5-6.5 mil and complete his full ownership, without even bother asking us for approval!!

This is the only way, the ONLY way to loose Criscito, can you think just one good reason, why would we allow that of happening? Just one!!

Players do have to respect their contracts, it is our choice what to do with the players we own. We would we give them away like that?? Just why?
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Why o why on hell, did we conceded him with a clause that gives Genoa the upper hand to get him permanently??
We didn't give them that.
Both teams own 50%, so if Genoa really wants him after the next season they will have to reach an agreement with us. Worst possible thing is to go to blind bidding, which could still turn in our favour.
 

noussa

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2008
751
dont afraid my all dear friends...juve will have a pre season match with ac nancy and peace cup competiton lining up for us, i think whether ferrara or secco will see how weak our LB or RB performance and we will buy some LB OR RB....
 

El Santo

El Enmascarado de Plata
Nov 26, 2008
2,414
-We have seen our board is unwilling to invest on everything but our defense,
for the past 3 years!! Did you missed that??

-We know that the have signed CR and Ferrara, because they wont to keep the control of our incoming players!
-Ferrara expressed his will when he had the chance and asked for a LB.
-Secco FAILED, miserable to bring Criscito back and easily keep the situation under control, as he claimed!

-Then our board wanted to bring a new prestige player "Grosso" and Ferrara proved that transfer, clearly admitting our need for an extra LB.
But they also had in mind to throw away DC on a co op deal, for Dago.
-Ferrara said that he has DC in our plans (normally, as he is currently our only offensive fullback)
-However our board considered buying a CM/DM and spending everything we have for him, is our priority!
-Then they said that we dont have any more money left to make new acquisitions!
And just because of that, they leave no option to Ferrara and he will have to accept and obey the situation, probably even forced to show his approval on our board's transfer policy!



I think, that it is pretty clear, who is holding the ball here and who is making those decisions!
The contrast of ideas is colorful enough to show that our board and Ferrara had different views, but also that Ferrara did not have the authority to go his way!
And just now, right when our last cent is given away, Molinaro happens to return and our need suddenly fades away...

You may not wish any harm to Ferrara, but your arguments can be used against him, as they have already been used against him on other threads!
We should respect Ferrara and bare him the fault for the mistakes our board has committed before in the past and are clearly their policy!

Ferrara's influence is minimal! His fault on those strategical mistakes are minimal too. Even of he agreed to trust DC and not to buy a new LB for now, it is not his fault Secco lost Criscito. We should at least not blaming Ferrara for that!
Ok fist and foremost. The Criscito situation. I do agree with you that secco did fuck up on doing a co ownership deal with Genoa. but if you realize the performance he gave for us, were really weak not even close to juventus material. So seeing this he probably though he wasn't going to do shit for genoa next season so he decided to get some money off of that. It truly is understandable on a business point of view at the time.

But if you do look at it he really didn't fuck up at all, if he were to sold all his rights to them, now that would have been a fuck up. You need to think about this for a minute. we have more money than them meaning Genoa of course. If criscito is fantastic next season his value will go up. and if we truly want him we will get him. and if genoa wants him they need to pay a hefty sum for his other half. which they probably wont. So really what Secco did was a fantastic move. because he gave Criscito one more season to prove himself, if he repeats his fantastic season Secco will realize this, and will get him. don't say he wont cause he will. But if Criscito declines his performances and it was really a one season thing. he could continue in genoa. or will get 5 million for his other half, to get a new LB next summer. That is of course in DC doesn't have a breakout year. which i truly believe he will.

Secondly, I truly believe that Ferrara is no puppet. he has been in this club for ove a decade so he knows everything you need to know about this club. A person with such prestige will not be punk by this board. And plus Ferrara is a smart man. Like i said he has so much prestige that he wont let himself be a puppet. believe this. so please stop it with your conspiracies.

The reason he said all of that shit is because Secco and co. didn't show any interest in him. Don't tell me that Crisicito would turn down the option of rejoining Juve.
not saying he wont. but if he doesnt have the 100% heart to join juve. i really wouldn't want him here. is not the juve way.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Ok fist and foremost. The Criscito situation. I do agree with you that secco did fuck up on doing a co ownership deal with Genoa.
Fine that means we can work from here:agree:


but if you realize the performance he gave for us, were really weak not even close to juventus material. So seeing this he probably though he wasn't going to do shit for genoa next season so he decided to get some money off of that. It truly is understandable on a business point of view at the time.
IMO, Criscito did not failed us, we failed him!!
CR had abysmal relations with our youngsters and he was too afraid to use them.
(Giovinco bashing him openly, just proved that)
He was over-protective, with his favorite son (Molinaro, Marchionni too)
But had no remorse on crucifying the other youngsters.
CR blamed Criscito, when Totti elbowed him on the face, drop him down and scored!! In a day when our whole defense collapsed and no one else, did any better! He accused and blamed him for his own mistakes!!
IMO the youngsters were badly misused and mistrusted.
They should be given more chances gradually and on the easiest games, we could afford to do so. Criscito failed as much as DC, Giovinco and Marchisio (who would have "failed" too, if it wasnt for those massive injuries!! )

There was a reason why our youngsters, virtually "sucked", and that was CR!!
I thought that we should know that by now, we have seen enough to draw this safe conclusion!
But if you do look at it he really didn't fuck up at all, if he were to sold all his rights to them, now that would have been a fuck up. You need to think about this for a minute. we have more money than them meaning Genoa of course. If criscito is fantastic next season his value will go up. and if we truly want him we will get him. and if genoa wants him they need to pay a hefty sum for his other half. which they probably wont. So really what Secco did was a fantastic move. because he gave Criscito one more season to prove himself, if he repeats his fantastic season Secco will realize this, and will get him. don't say he wont cause he will. But if Criscito declines his performances and it was really a one season thing. he could continue in genoa. or will get 5 million for his other half, to get a new LB next summer. That is of course in DC doesn't have a breakout year. which i truly believe he will.
We might have more money than Genoa, but we are so stupid, that we cant use that advantage!! Unlike us, Genoa are not stupid, they had no leverage and yet they managed to pursuade Secco, on giving away Criscito on the ideal terms for them!
We cant set our priorities right and we never seem to have any funds left, to invest on our defense. Our club is runned by clueless enthusiasts, who cant calculate our needs, form a solid to get them and then respect it.
We are easily manipulated from momentary gains and occasions.

We might have more money, Genoa knows that they cant compete with us and they would never raise enough to pay for Criscito's full price.
But the only chance they had, is pay for him in smaller rates and hope that in the second bid war, our attraction and priorities will be attracted/distracted elsewhere, like always!
For ex if we are buying Cassano or Rossi next year, we wont have the time and resources to bid a huge for Criscito!

In normal situation, they couldnt outbid us, or afford him, but they have created the ideal situation to do so!
Actually we did! By choice!! For no good reason or gain...
If there was just one particular way to lose Criscito from them,
thats just that!!
That was the hardest thing to do, now they have they upper-hand!
Judging by what happened so far, objectively, not from the perspective of a Juve fan, you can easily see where the situation goes from here...

We have some wishful thinking, but they have the control of the situation in their hands!!! And the worst part of it, s that we gave it to them!!! Twice:sergio:
Secondly, I truly believe that Ferrara is no puppet. he has been in this club for ove a decade so he knows everything you need to know about this club. A person with such prestige will not be punk by this board. And plus Ferrara is a smart man. Like i said he has so much prestige that he wont let himself be a puppet. believe this. so please stop it with your conspiracies.
Ferrara was brought to be a puppet, we sacked DD, because he wanted more control,
then hired CR just because he accepted to be a smiling puppet.
And now, we wanted a young, unproven coach, without any influence our prestige power, just because he could be manipulated easier!!
This is as clear, as it can get!!
I agree that he is a smart man and being one of us, he can be trusted more than other coaches, who might try to seek out their own personal interests.
Our board might ask some advice from Ferrara. But he is def not making the final calls!
This board would never allow that!!
Our history proved that and their words after sacking DD and CR also did proved that!
They have the money and the authority to pursue the priorities our highest board has set to them! The ideas of the coach are not irrelevant and should be pursued if possible, but they would not interfeer with our highest priorities as a club!

Ferrara, as a coach has no prestige, he has signed a contract with their terms and he has to obey that, even if that means that he has to take their responsibilities,
if anything goes wrong and he will be turned into the ultimate scapegoat, just like it happened with DD and CR. In order to ensure that our boards functions are safe!
not saying he wont. but if he doesnt have the 100% heart to join juve. i really wouldn't want him here. is not the juve way.
When Criscito was first brought here, he was still a boy needed some spiritual guidance, support and faith/love! He was ambitioned, he wanted to do well at the highest levels right away and he should be taught patience!
His ambitions were shattered when he realized that Andrade, Chiellini and Legro were all in front of him in the pecking order for that year and the years to come!!
IMO, it is normal to ask for more playing time, if his coach used him once/month.
I also believe the same goes for DC and Giovinco!
Blaming everything on them is easy!
But just think about that, think of you being in their shoes;
-You are given a spot in mighty Juve, but it is highly unlikely that you ever get the chance to prove yourself, against top class competition!
You see the favourism and BIAS your coach shows on Molinaro and the chances such an incompetent player has instead of you!
-Then you have Genoa who seem to respect your talent/value and would anything to have you in the ranks as a prized starter!
The town and people there accepted/valued you better and you have all the necessary support you need at this critical age!
-You are thrown away like a garbage from Juve and it is unlikely to return there as long as this coach is there! That determines you to do your best, but still have a chance that one day you will be given a chance at the highest level again!
-You are having a brilliant season in a new position, a position that Juve seems to struggle really hard atm, teams like Milan show some interest for your value/potential and Genoa are desperate to keep you and do anything for that, as they believe in you!
-Juve decides to rather invest on Grosso than bringing you back and then conceded to Genoa the option to permanently buy you and make it as convinient for them, as possible.
-Then Secco comes out and claims that Juve doesnt need a LB like you, because they rate Molinaro and DC higher than yourself!

Why on earth would he be so desperate to come back, when we constantly show him that we dont respect/rate him??
Would you betray the one who love and believe in you, for the ones who threw away, would you?
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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May be long posts from cronios but the mans talking sense IMO :agree: some quality comments :tup:. Somehow whatever crap that comes outta secco and co's mouth is just so predictable that it gets really boring and somewhat annoying.
 

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