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[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++


Good question

IBM has lost its software dominance years ago. They now consentrate on business consulting, IT services, servers and computers

Accenture deals with management consulting, technology services, knowledge management, and outsourcing

HP makes computers

Sun is more into servers, storage and IT services nowadays.

Actually, Oracle is not a purely software company either- their strength is in databases. But now that they bought PeopleSoft they plan to compete with Microsoft and SAP.

Actually software is one of IBM's main areas now. They have outsourced production of hardware. Yeah they also have IT and Business services aswell as financial services now with the purchase of PriceWaterhouse. But software is as big an area with IBM as the others. Hursley development labs is one of, perhaps the biggest software development lab in the UK.

HP develop hardware but also software for that hardware and for business.

Sun are a software company. They are responsible for Java and more.

Just because these companies don't develop software that we purchase, doesn't mean they aren't software companies.

 

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[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++


Actually software is one of IBM's main areas now. They have outsourced production of hardware. Yeah they also have IT and Business services aswell as financial services now with the purchase of PriceWaterhouse. But software is as big an area with IBM as the others. Hursley development labs is one of, perhaps the biggest software development lab in the UK.

HP develop hardware but also software for that hardware and for business.

Sun are a software company. They are responsible for Java and more.

Just because these companies don't develop software that we purchase, doesn't mean they aren't software companies.

You're right there. I guess we differ in our future view of the industry.

To me a competitive software company is first of all a B2B retailer of sophisticated end user packages. Sun produces java and related stuff aimed at individual users- like you and me. Centerpiece of IBM's products is WebSphere- a database where ERP systems store information, and they subsequently market it to ERP producers.

That said, a company that will not get eaten up within the next 10-20 years would be the one which develops competitive ERP systems, markets them successfully, and maintain its revenues in tens of billions. And nowadays it's not just the package itself that costs so much, but maintenance and consulting. 40% of SAP's revenues for example, come from maintenance.

Suns, Adobes will simply be unable to compete with these giants that keep acquiring smaller companies left and right, especially Microsoft- they have so much cash that they can afford practically anything.

 

[Martin]

It may well be a question of branching into new markets. Adobe is a successful company but they cater to a small markey. Macromedia apps are more main stream.

Speaking of Sun, has anyone tried Solaris? I tried installing Solaris10x86 but it failed at some point, couldn't figure it out..

 

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++


You're right there. I guess we differ in our future view of the industry.

To me a competitive software company is first of all a B2B retailer of sophisticated end user packages. Sun produces java and related stuff aimed at individual users- like you and me. Centerpiece of IBM's products is WebSphere- a database where ERP systems store information, and they subsequently market it to ERP producers.

That said, a company that will not get eaten up within the next 10-20 years would be the one which develops competitive ERP systems, markets them successfully, and maintain its revenues in tens of billions. And nowadays it's not just the package itself that costs so much, but maintenance and consulting. 40% of SAP's revenues for example, come from maintenance.

Suns, Adobes will simply be unable to compete with these giants that keep acquiring smaller companies left and right, especially Microsoft- they have so much cash that they can afford practically anything.

man, u must be kidding. Java is used everywhere, either by individual or enterprise.do you think that an individual like you and me will need features like J2EE. Java is the one that forced Microsoft developed .net platform to compete with Java.
IBM doesn't focus on websphere only, they have lots of software for different solutions. and Websphere is not a database system. IBM solution for database system is DB2.
They're targeting different market, so they can coexist together.. oh well, except Microsoft, they want everything..

 

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++
man, u must be kidding. Java is used everywhere, either by individual or enterprise.do you think that an individual like you and me will need features like J2EE. Java is the one that forced Microsoft developed .net platform to compete with Java.

It is widely used, but how much will it cost to a company like Ford with 80,000 employees to enable Java software package to those who really need it? The entire IT department? Let's say 200 people. Some $10,000 perhaps?

Now what will it take to implement an SAP R3 package for HR/Finance/Supply Chain Management/Customer Relationship Management/Knowledge Management modules for the same size company. Some $20 million in one time costs for the soft + some $10 m in consulting/maintenance in the first year of operations only! But is it worth it? If that saves them another $50 million- it is worth it.

See the difference in products produced by Sun/Adobe and Oracle/SAP?

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++
They're targeting different market, so they can coexist together.. oh well, except Microsoft, they want everything..

That's true, but the way I see it is that ever growing ERP vendors + Microsoft will keep buying up regular software producers to do something with the increadible amounts of cash they are generating. Up until the Federal Government files an untitrust lawsuit

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++
IBM doesn't focus on websphere only, they have lots of software for different solutions. and Websphere is not a database system. IBM solution for database system is DB2.

Yeah, Websphere is not exactly a database- but rather a platform that keeps and maintains ERPs. And it is much flexible than DB2 as far as I know. PS 8.0 , R3 and Oracle's packages all operate off of Websphere.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
It may well be a question of branching into new markets. Adobe is a successful company but they cater to a small markey. Macromedia apps are more main stream.

Speaking of Sun, has anyone tried Solaris? I tried installing Solaris10x86 but it failed at some point, couldn't figure it out..

The old mechines at one of my university's computer science labs is equiped with Solaris 8 OSs on Sun Microsystem Ultra 10 workstations. Nothing special. Then again, I don't know much about its internals to compare it with other OSs.

 

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++


It is widely used, but how much will it cost to a company like Ford with 80,000 employees to enable Java software package to those who really need it? The entire IT department? Let's say 200 people. Some $10,000 perhaps?

Now what will it take to implement an SAP R3 package for HR/Finance/Supply Chain Management/Customer Relationship Management/Knowledge Management modules for the same size company. Some $20 million in one time costs for the soft + some $10 m in consulting/maintenance in the first year of operations only! But is it worth it? If that saves them another $50 million- it is worth it.

See the difference in products produced by Sun/Adobe and Oracle/SAP?



That's true, but the way I see it is that ever growing ERP vendors + Microsoft will keep buying up regular software producers to do something with the increadible amounts of cash they are generating. Up until the Federal Government files an untitrust lawsuit

Yeah, Websphere is not exactly a database- but rather a platform that keeps and maintains ERPs. And it is much flexible than DB2 as far as I know. PS 8.0 , R3 and Oracle's packages all operate off of Websphere.

do you know that websphere is based on eclipse? and the programming language used for websphere studio application server is java? which consist of lots of j2ee stuffs?

so you think IBM which used Java platform is not competitive enough for FORD?
don't underestimate SUN, Just because you never heard of their IT solutions,it doesn't mean they don't offer it. they just don't serve individuals like us. they only serve the enterprise.

if Websphere doesn't offer solution to connect to other DB except DB2, they'll lose lots of potential customers. and do you know how websphere access the db? it's using JDBC( yes, it's java ).

 

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++

That's true, but the way I see it is that ever growing ERP vendors + Microsoft will keep buying up regular software producers to do something with the increadible amounts of cash they are generating. Up until the Federal Government files an untitrust lawsuit

They better come up with something asap,else I won't be surprised to find Micro$oft's toothpaste in Carrefour

 

[GRK]

I use Adobe products alot.
All for the deal

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


The old mechines at one of my university's computer science labs is equiped with Solaris 8 OSs on Sun Microsystem Ultra 10 workstations. Nothing special. Then again, I don't know much about its internals to compare it with other OSs.

Without actually having a chance to play with the system, I get the impression it's like a linux distribution with few features.

 

[Martin]

First of all, Sun *does* control java certainly, to the great disapproval of the entire free software movement. There are efforts to make java free but those projects are far behind Sun's java in any case.

With that out of the way, Elnur explain to me what SAP is cause you keep talking about it and I'm ignorant.