Fair enough. Can we leave it there? I can't see that argument going anywhere productive (not that any argument here goes anywhere productive, but you know what I mean!)
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Abortion, good or bad? (14 Viewers)
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The thing is, the embryo is hardly alive. We place ourselves above animals because we are conscious, an embryo isn't. Since most people don't have a problem with killed animals, I don't see why they should have a problem with killed embryos. An embryo is even less of a living being then an animal IMO.
It cannot be compared to murder because there are many different factors in abortion then there are in murder.
Murder:
A killer (possibly more than one) > a victim (possibly more than one)
Abortion:
A doctor (the killer in the murder theory) > the embryo (the victim in the murder theory) BUT there's also:
THE WOMAN
and she has rights. Exactly what those rights are, is something culturally influenced and different throughout the planet but one thing is very clear to me personally:
Abortion cannot be compared to murder just like that because there are many other factors involved. Most notably the woman and her right to live her life the way she wants it.
Murder:
A killer (possibly more than one) > a victim (possibly more than one)
Abortion:
A doctor (the killer in the murder theory) > the embryo (the victim in the murder theory) BUT there's also:
THE WOMAN
and she has rights. Exactly what those rights are, is something culturally influenced and different throughout the planet but one thing is very clear to me personally:
Abortion cannot be compared to murder just like that because there are many other factors involved. Most notably the woman and her right to live her life the way she wants it.
The embryo is an organism which will, assisted and uninterrupted, grow into an adult human being. It is as much human as that adult, in the same way that all of the stages prior to adulthood are human. This is my opinion, and the cornerstone of the argument. If it is not true, my argument falls.
Granted, the issue is complex, but the mother's right to convenience does not, IMHO, outweigh a human right to life. Yet again, this is the fundamental difference in our positions.
Granted, the issue is complex, but the mother's right to convenience does not, IMHO, outweigh a human right to life. Yet again, this is the fundamental difference in our positions.
I think I have a right to remind you since you did bring up the consequence talk.
And I really don't see how and why I should show restraint? Did I personaly insult you?
TBH, it is neccessary when you use one set of rules and logic for yourself, but not for others.
TBH, you ignore much more, you ignore every argument that you can not respond to, and instead of discussing it you chose to skip over it because it isn't there.
And all I'm saying is that you didnt pay any consequence for your crime, yet dare to demand others pay consequences for their, completely legal, misstakes.
And I really don't see how and why I should show restraint? Did I personaly insult you?
TBH, it is neccessary when you use one set of rules and logic for yourself, but not for others.
TBH, you ignore much more, you ignore every argument that you can not respond to, and instead of discussing it you chose to skip over it because it isn't there.
And all I'm saying is that you didnt pay any consequence for your crime, yet dare to demand others pay consequences for their, completely legal, misstakes.
Exactly.
TBH, in no way did I personaly insult him.
And another thing chxta: my "attack" on you, as you call it, is in no way irrelevant to this discussion. In fact, it is very much relevant.
It was YOU who said abortion was murder, and it was YOU who said everyone should suffer the consequences of their actions., and hence, you opened the door for the discussion about you.
And also: first you accuse me of being narrow minded but when I respond to your claims you chose to completely ignore my post because it does not suit you or because you dont have the answer. Either way, your shying away from the discussion and hiding behind the claims I attack you or hate you.
TBH, in no way did I personaly insult him.
And another thing chxta: my "attack" on you, as you call it, is in no way irrelevant to this discussion. In fact, it is very much relevant.
It was YOU who said abortion was murder, and it was YOU who said everyone should suffer the consequences of their actions., and hence, you opened the door for the discussion about you.
And also: first you accuse me of being narrow minded but when I respond to your claims you chose to completely ignore my post because it does not suit you or because you dont have the answer. Either way, your shying away from the discussion and hiding behind the claims I attack you or hate you.
Women who support abortion just want to take the easy way out, unable to handle the responsibility of caring for a child after showing no responsibility at all in getting herself into the whole situation in the first place. And instead of giving her "unwanted" child a life somewhere else in the world, she just wants to take that life away from her child so that nobody else can enjoy caring for it.....rather sick if you ask me.