Abortion, good or bad? (15 Viewers)
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Are you that petty chxta?
Firsty, you are surprised this turned into a debate, while you started this topic and discussion.
Secondly you think your opinion is a fact.
Thirdly, you never give arguments and you tend to ignore the arguments against your 'opinion'.
And finally you contradict yourself, you blame Zlatan for attacking you and not talking about the discussion. While now you provoke Zlatan, buy calling him the 'Crucify him' brigade.
Well by all means, I hope you are crucified.
Firsty, you are surprised this turned into a debate, while you started this topic and discussion.
Secondly you think your opinion is a fact.
Thirdly, you never give arguments and you tend to ignore the arguments against your 'opinion'.
And finally you contradict yourself, you blame Zlatan for attacking you and not talking about the discussion. While now you provoke Zlatan, buy calling him the 'Crucify him' brigade.
Well by all means, I hope you are crucified.
Gray, to make things clear:
I never assumed you were catholic in the first place. I just said that your point of view was pretty similar to what every catholic out there says. And yes, I do believe my point of view is more independent. Not that your opinion can't be well supported, but since I'm an atheïst, I do have to think more about those ethical questions. I can't just deny them and say I value every life like you do.
I never assumed you were catholic in the first place. I just said that your point of view was pretty similar to what every catholic out there says. And yes, I do believe my point of view is more independent. Not that your opinion can't be well supported, but since I'm an atheïst, I do have to think more about those ethical questions. I can't just deny them and say I value every life like you do.
Chxta, if I read that post of yours in which you state you killed a guy, it doesn't sound like there are circumstances that makes things better. Basically you say: I killed a guy, but I got away with it because he was drunk. Oh wait a minute, you didn't even say he was drunk.
And now you're telling me you're against abortion? Because abortion is murder? The same guy that seems pretty lightheaded about his crime, is telling me abortion is wrong?
And now you're telling me you're against abortion? Because abortion is murder? The same guy that seems pretty lightheaded about his crime, is telling me abortion is wrong?
Am I that petty? I am not the person who has at every turn for the last 5 months reminded someone of something that he did a decade ago.
Secondly, I don't think my opinion is a fact. I am a highly opinoated person doesn't mean that I force my opinions on others.
Is that so? Define not giving arguments...
I can and will provoke Zlatan if I want to because he has shown little restraint in this affair.
Secondly, I don't think my opinion is a fact. I am a highly opinoated person doesn't mean that I force my opinions on others.
Is that so? Define not giving arguments...
I can and will provoke Zlatan if I want to because he has shown little restraint in this affair.
Try and read all my posts concerning that topic and you will find that I have been and still am sorry for that incident. It happened 10 freaking years ago, and the people who were involved have all gotten over it. Question: Had I not mentioned it here would any one of you have known? No.
Now I am 10 years older, legally responsible for my actions, a lot more mature, sorry that I did that. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION. It is a real put off when a faceless stranger whom I met on an internet forum keeps mentioning that incident from my past in nearly every thread that I participate in and express a strong opinion on an issue, AND ZLATAN IS GUILTY OF THAT.
If it bothers him so much that I did something at age 15 and didn't go to prison for it, then let him come and shoot me. My address is 568 Durban Street, Wuse II, Abuja, Nigeria. I am not running away. But do not point fingers at me anymore for something that you don't know any detail about.
Dominic says I am petty. Maybe I am, but the truth is this: I have ignored Zlatan on that issue since the 2nd of March. That is bollocks. I have had enough of his shit.
Acies, I'll draw an analogy for you here. Have you watched the movie Wisdom? The young man had a misdemeanour in his earlier life and was sent to jail. Because of that employers refused to touch him, so he had to resort to a life of crime. That is what someone like Zlatan would want for someone like me. And that is crap.
Now I am 10 years older, legally responsible for my actions, a lot more mature, sorry that I did that. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION. It is a real put off when a faceless stranger whom I met on an internet forum keeps mentioning that incident from my past in nearly every thread that I participate in and express a strong opinion on an issue, AND ZLATAN IS GUILTY OF THAT.
If it bothers him so much that I did something at age 15 and didn't go to prison for it, then let him come and shoot me. My address is 568 Durban Street, Wuse II, Abuja, Nigeria. I am not running away. But do not point fingers at me anymore for something that you don't know any detail about.
Dominic says I am petty. Maybe I am, but the truth is this: I have ignored Zlatan on that issue since the 2nd of March. That is bollocks. I have had enough of his shit.
Acies, I'll draw an analogy for you here. Have you watched the movie Wisdom? The young man had a misdemeanour in his earlier life and was sent to jail. Because of that employers refused to touch him, so he had to resort to a life of crime. That is what someone like Zlatan would want for someone like me. And that is crap.
I don't think you get the point there - yes, the question asked you to judge a highly improbably circumstance, but the real point was that "It's never breathed" is a simplistic definition of life, and therefore not sufficient here.
Again, I think you misunderstand Gray's point Nicole. Dependancy isn't a charactoristic of the foetus alone. A newborn will die if it isn't nourished by someone. That doesn't make its right to life (or indeed its identity as a human being) any less valid. Likewise, Gray, like me, argues that just because a life is dependant, it does not mean that it cannot be a seperate identity.
In many respects, true. We do not give a mother the right to decide if her child should die however and if you accept that an unborn child has the same rights as a (for lack of a better term!) born one (which is the real point of contention here), then a mother doesn't have the right to determine that an unborn child is to die either.
I very much agree. Often, these women are afraid. You have to make allowances for that. Neither can I condemn someone who has done something which is neither illegal nor, in their mind at least, unethical.
Nothing at all. The issue is more clearly put however, with "What is wrong with someone aborting a child because they don't want a dependant?" The answer depends on the ethics of abortion - again, the issue is under debate here.
I've always maintained that the right solution here is adoption. A child shouldn't die because its mother can't cope with it.
Again, I think you misunderstand Gray's point Nicole. Dependancy isn't a charactoristic of the foetus alone. A newborn will die if it isn't nourished by someone. That doesn't make its right to life (or indeed its identity as a human being) any less valid. Likewise, Gray, like me, argues that just because a life is dependant, it does not mean that it cannot be a seperate identity.
In many respects, true. We do not give a mother the right to decide if her child should die however and if you accept that an unborn child has the same rights as a (for lack of a better term!) born one (which is the real point of contention here), then a mother doesn't have the right to determine that an unborn child is to die either.
I very much agree. Often, these women are afraid. You have to make allowances for that. Neither can I condemn someone who has done something which is neither illegal nor, in their mind at least, unethical.
Nothing at all. The issue is more clearly put however, with "What is wrong with someone aborting a child because they don't want a dependant?" The answer depends on the ethics of abortion - again, the issue is under debate here.
I've always maintained that the right solution here is adoption. A child shouldn't die because its mother can't cope with it.
I know we should respect everyone's opinion and all, but you seem to have double standards here, and in general I don't listen to people with double standards.
So you killed a guy, without any consequences, but a woman that has sex should agree with what might come along with it? And then you even label it murder. What you did looks more like murder to me than abortion does.
So you killed a guy, without any consequences, but a woman that has sex should agree with what might come along with it? And then you even label it murder. What you did looks more like murder to me than abortion does.
I'm not pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice. Like a Belgian writer [Geert van Istendael] once said:
"The way abortion is being handled in some countries right now such as The Netherlands is done in a well-thought, left-liberal way. You may not support abortion, but you simply cannot be against those laws."
"The way abortion is being handled in some countries right now such as The Netherlands is done in a well-thought, left-liberal way. You may not support abortion, but you simply cannot be against those laws."