++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
I though you were annoying as hell actually
I though you were annoying as hell actually
The feeling is mutual
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Abortion, good or bad? (18 Viewers)
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Yes, I am a hypocrite. So says the Oh-so-angelic-Zlatan.
@ Nicole, I have always posted my real opinions in every forum that I belong to. The point I am bringing out is this: there is more to Cheta Nwanze than Chxta.
back @ Zlatan: People like you would never have voted a known drunk and womanizer such as Winston Churchill because of his past misdeeds, forgetting that at the end of it he is a human and has the capacity to change. On the other hand, it is people like you who whole heartedly made Adolf Hitler der Fuerher because his record was 'immaculate'.
Fuck it man. Yes, I killed a man 10 years ago. I have paid my dues for that and I don't need to be reminded about it everytime I turn. That is low of you. I have moved on.
When I say I don't support abortion, I have in mind the kind of person that Fabi described who got pregnant, had an abortion, didn't learn from it, and was looking to have another abortion a month later. But then, the Oh-so-liberal Zlatan feels that it is her right.
Well that is abuse of the abortion thing, pure and simple. No other word in English for it. And at the risk of sounding judgemental and hypocritical (which you've already labelled me anyways), such an individual will burn in hell for eternity. And why, because she has 2 murders on her hands all for the sake of a few moments of orgasm!
@ Nicole, I have always posted my real opinions in every forum that I belong to. The point I am bringing out is this: there is more to Cheta Nwanze than Chxta.
back @ Zlatan: People like you would never have voted a known drunk and womanizer such as Winston Churchill because of his past misdeeds, forgetting that at the end of it he is a human and has the capacity to change. On the other hand, it is people like you who whole heartedly made Adolf Hitler der Fuerher because his record was 'immaculate'.
Fuck it man. Yes, I killed a man 10 years ago. I have paid my dues for that and I don't need to be reminded about it everytime I turn. That is low of you. I have moved on.
When I say I don't support abortion, I have in mind the kind of person that Fabi described who got pregnant, had an abortion, didn't learn from it, and was looking to have another abortion a month later. But then, the Oh-so-liberal Zlatan feels that it is her right.
Well that is abuse of the abortion thing, pure and simple. No other word in English for it. And at the risk of sounding judgemental and hypocritical (which you've already labelled me anyways), such an individual will burn in hell for eternity. And why, because she has 2 murders on her hands all for the sake of a few moments of orgasm!
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
The feeling is mutual
The feeling is mutual
Chxta, you dont understand it isnt murder. Murder is when you kill someone, a living, breathing human being. As Acies said, an 'embryo' isnt alive, it doesnt breath. It couldnt exist without the support of the mother, until she gives birth to it, until the doctor goes snip snip, it is part of her! NOTHING else. Seriously chxta, I like you. But your no ignorant, have you even tried to imagine what it would be like for a woman to go through pregnancies? Has it even entered your mind that the mother is actually a living breathing person?
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
So, you all of a sudden have a new-found respect for me? Though not
Chxta, you dont understand it isnt murder. Murder is when you kill someone, a living, breathing human being. As Acies said, an 'embryo' isnt alive, it doesnt breath. It couldnt exist without the support of the mother, until she gives birth to it, until the doctor goes snip snip, it is part of her! NOTHING else. Seriously chxta, I like you. But your no ignorant, have you even tried to imagine what it would be like for a woman to go through pregnancies? Has it even entered your mind that the mother is actually a living breathing person?
So, you all of a sudden have a new-found respect for me? Though not
Chxta, you dont understand it isnt murder. Murder is when you kill someone, a living, breathing human being. As Acies said, an 'embryo' isnt alive, it doesnt breath. It couldnt exist without the support of the mother, until she gives birth to it, until the doctor goes snip snip, it is part of her! NOTHING else. Seriously chxta, I like you. But your no ignorant, have you even tried to imagine what it would be like for a woman to go through pregnancies? Has it even entered your mind that the mother is actually a living breathing person?
Never said I was an angel, but I did say you were a hypocrite, and I still stand behind my statement. I can't believe you have the nerve to say people should suffer the consequences of their actions when you did not do the same! If that is not hypocritical I don't know what is!!!
First of all, I don't see what's wrong with being a womanizer? Is it a crime? Does it in any way affect his ability to carry out his functions? About being drunk, yes, if it was NOT a thing of the past. But then again, it is not a crime to drink, as it is to kill a man, especially because of immaturity and stupidity. I believe that men should get to start over and turn a new leaf in their life, but only when they have paid their dues to society for the crimes they have done, where the punishement would fit the crime. And about Adolf Hitler, I would have not voted for him regardless of his clean record, because as a liberal I don't support the policies of nationalism.
As for you, it is people like you that would force women to give birth to babies they don't want or can't raise properly, that would forbid homosexuals from having any kinds of human and legal rights, including the right to marry, that would discriminate against women, and that would keep the africanamercans at the back of the bus (if you had been white naturally).
However, it's liberals like me that abolished the slavery, that fought for africanamerican's human rights, fought against discrimination and racism, it's people like me that gave women the right to vote, to work and be equal to man, it's people like me that fought to get religion seperated from the state and allow everyone to believe what they want and how they want, it is people like me that allowed homosexuals to form unions recognized by law and be given the uman rights they deserve and not be discriminated against them. So next time you talk about "people like me", take your head out of your ass and thing about "people like you".
Yes, but did the man you killed have the chance to move on? How exactly did you pay your dues? Did you spend 10-15 years in jail as you should have as a consequence, which is obviously one of your favourite words, of what you did? or did you get your daddy to bail you out and avoid the very same consequence you like to mention so often? How exactly did you pay your due to society? How?
Yes, hell, let's frighten people with that again. Be Christians or you'll burn in hell!!! Don't have sex, or you'll burn in hell!!! Don't have an abortion or you'll burn in hell!!! Fucks sake, enough with hell already. If God was so powerful you'd think he would have a better means to convince people.
How does your description differ from you killing a man for a few moments of actink like a dick in front of girls in your dad's car?
And yes, the oh-so-liberal Zlatan would allow the woman to have the second abortion, and the third one, and the fourth, and the ninth, and the 121st if she wants to, because it is her thats pregnant, not me and certanly not you.
Now go back and look what your wives keylogger picked up.
First of all, I don't see what's wrong with being a womanizer? Is it a crime? Does it in any way affect his ability to carry out his functions? About being drunk, yes, if it was NOT a thing of the past. But then again, it is not a crime to drink, as it is to kill a man, especially because of immaturity and stupidity. I believe that men should get to start over and turn a new leaf in their life, but only when they have paid their dues to society for the crimes they have done, where the punishement would fit the crime. And about Adolf Hitler, I would have not voted for him regardless of his clean record, because as a liberal I don't support the policies of nationalism.
As for you, it is people like you that would force women to give birth to babies they don't want or can't raise properly, that would forbid homosexuals from having any kinds of human and legal rights, including the right to marry, that would discriminate against women, and that would keep the africanamercans at the back of the bus (if you had been white naturally).
However, it's liberals like me that abolished the slavery, that fought for africanamerican's human rights, fought against discrimination and racism, it's people like me that gave women the right to vote, to work and be equal to man, it's people like me that fought to get religion seperated from the state and allow everyone to believe what they want and how they want, it is people like me that allowed homosexuals to form unions recognized by law and be given the uman rights they deserve and not be discriminated against them. So next time you talk about "people like me", take your head out of your ass and thing about "people like you".
Yes, but did the man you killed have the chance to move on? How exactly did you pay your dues? Did you spend 10-15 years in jail as you should have as a consequence, which is obviously one of your favourite words, of what you did? or did you get your daddy to bail you out and avoid the very same consequence you like to mention so often? How exactly did you pay your due to society? How?
Yes, hell, let's frighten people with that again. Be Christians or you'll burn in hell!!! Don't have sex, or you'll burn in hell!!! Don't have an abortion or you'll burn in hell!!! Fucks sake, enough with hell already. If God was so powerful you'd think he would have a better means to convince people.
How does your description differ from you killing a man for a few moments of actink like a dick in front of girls in your dad's car?
And yes, the oh-so-liberal Zlatan would allow the woman to have the second abortion, and the third one, and the fourth, and the ninth, and the 121st if she wants to, because it is her thats pregnant, not me and certanly not you.
Now go back and look what your wives keylogger picked up.
Truthful I didnt know that, but I didnt say nothing about a heartbeat, but it still doesnt change my opinion, it doesnt breath, the embryo will never breath using it's own lungs until the instant it is born, it ISNT a living-breathing person.
Seriously chxta, you still havent answered me, even imagined what it was like yourself?
Seriously chxta, you still havent answered me, even imagined what it was like yourself?
I'll be back to you later Nicole. I still love you...
This is the post that Zlatan wants me dead over...
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9836&postid=638593#post638593
If you are an honest person, then you'd admit that I stated that I was not proud of what I did, and I had a lot of regrets for it.
Now to the legal...
I WAS A MINOR WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND AS SUCH NOT DUE TO GO TO PRISON AS YOU WANT ME TO.
Sorry, but I have moved on, and no matter how hard you try, you can't take me back 10 years.
Now back to the topic...
Nicole, this is a description of an embryo:
The embryo of vertebrates is defined as the stages between the first division of the zygote (a fertilized ovum) until it becomes a foetus. An embryo is called a foetus at a more advanced stage of development and up until birth or hatching. In humans, this is from the eighth week of gestation.
Some further reading... (I hope I am not boring you...)
A fetus (alternatively foetus or fœtus) is an unborn human offspring from the end of the 8th week of pregnancy (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Prior to this time, the offspring is an embryo. Fetus literally means 'young one'.
Fetal growth
There is much natural variation in the growth of the fetus. Approximately 40% of the variation in birth weight can be accounted for by genetic factors, whereas 60% can be accounted for by environmental factors. Ultimately, the baby should be able to live up to its term growth potential. Factors affecting fetal growth can be maternal, placental, or fetal.
Maternal factors include maternal size, weight, weight for height, nutritional state, anemia, cigarette smoking, substance abuse, or uterine blood flow.
Placental factors include size, microstructure (densities and architecture), umbilical blood flow, transporters and binding proteins, nutrient utilization and nutrient production.
Fetal factors include the fetus genome, nutrient production, and hormone output.
Inappropriate growth can result in low birth weight. If the newborn is small for gestational age, he or she will have an increased risk for perinatal mortality (death shortly after birth), asphyxia, hypothermia, polycythemia, hypocalcemia, immune dysfunction, neurologic abnormalities, and other long-term health problems. This can be the result of fetal growth restriction.
Circulatory system
The circulatory system of a human fetus works differently from that of born humans, mainly because the lungs are not in use: the fetus obtains oxygen and nutrients from the mother through the placenta and the umbilical cord.
Blood from the placenta is carried by the umbilical vein. About half of this enters the ductus venosus and is carried to the inferior vena cava, while the other half enters the liver proper from the inferior border of the liver. The branch of the umbilical vein that supplies the right lobe of the liver first joins with the portal vein. The blood then moves to the right atrium of the heart. In the fetus, there is an opening between the right and left atrium (the foramen ovale), and most of the blood flows from the right into the left atrium, then into the left ventricle from where it is pumped through the aorta into the body. Some of the blood moves from the aorta through the internal iliac arteries to the placental arteries, and re-enters the placenta, where carbon dioxide and other waste products from the fetus are taken up and enter the mother's circulation.
Some of the blood from the right atrium does not enter the left atrium, but enters the right ventricle and is pumped into the pulmonary artery. In the fetus, there is a special connection between the pulmonary artery and the aorta, called the ductus arteriosus, which directs most of this blood away from the lungs (which aren't being used for respiration at this point as the fetus is suspended in amniotic fluid).
Differences to the adult circulatory system
Remnants of the fetal circulation can be found in adults:
* The fetal foramen ovale becomes the adult fosse ovalis.
* The fetal ductus arteriosus becomes the adult ligamentum arteriosum.
* The extra-hepatic portion of the fetal left umbilical vein becomes the adult ligamentum teres hepatis (the "round ligament of the liver").
* The intra-hepatic portion of the fetal left umbilical vein (the ductus venosus) becomes the adult ligamentum venosum.
* The proximal portions of the fetal left and right umbilical arteries become the adult umbilical branches of the internal iliac arteries.
* The distal portions of the fetal left and right umbilical arteries become the adult medial umbilical ligaments.
In addition to differences in circulation, the developing fetus also employs a different type of oxygen transport molecule than adults (adults use adult hemoglobin). Fetal hemoglobin enhances the fetus' ability to draw oxygen from the placenta.
The most prominent region of the developing fetus is the medulla abonglada.
Legal issues
An unborn child is a child in utero: "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb," according to legislation which passed the US Senate in March 2004.
Since the 1970s in the United States, a debate has alternately raged or simmered over the "personhood" of the fetus before birth. Arguments regarding the personhood of a fetus are particularly relevant to debates over the legal and moral status of abortions.
This is the post that Zlatan wants me dead over...
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9836&postid=638593#post638593
If you are an honest person, then you'd admit that I stated that I was not proud of what I did, and I had a lot of regrets for it.
Now to the legal...
I WAS A MINOR WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND AS SUCH NOT DUE TO GO TO PRISON AS YOU WANT ME TO.
Sorry, but I have moved on, and no matter how hard you try, you can't take me back 10 years.
Now back to the topic...
Nicole, this is a description of an embryo:
The embryo of vertebrates is defined as the stages between the first division of the zygote (a fertilized ovum) until it becomes a foetus. An embryo is called a foetus at a more advanced stage of development and up until birth or hatching. In humans, this is from the eighth week of gestation.
Some further reading... (I hope I am not boring you...)
A fetus (alternatively foetus or fœtus) is an unborn human offspring from the end of the 8th week of pregnancy (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Prior to this time, the offspring is an embryo. Fetus literally means 'young one'.
Fetal growth
There is much natural variation in the growth of the fetus. Approximately 40% of the variation in birth weight can be accounted for by genetic factors, whereas 60% can be accounted for by environmental factors. Ultimately, the baby should be able to live up to its term growth potential. Factors affecting fetal growth can be maternal, placental, or fetal.
Maternal factors include maternal size, weight, weight for height, nutritional state, anemia, cigarette smoking, substance abuse, or uterine blood flow.
Placental factors include size, microstructure (densities and architecture), umbilical blood flow, transporters and binding proteins, nutrient utilization and nutrient production.
Fetal factors include the fetus genome, nutrient production, and hormone output.
Inappropriate growth can result in low birth weight. If the newborn is small for gestational age, he or she will have an increased risk for perinatal mortality (death shortly after birth), asphyxia, hypothermia, polycythemia, hypocalcemia, immune dysfunction, neurologic abnormalities, and other long-term health problems. This can be the result of fetal growth restriction.
Circulatory system
The circulatory system of a human fetus works differently from that of born humans, mainly because the lungs are not in use: the fetus obtains oxygen and nutrients from the mother through the placenta and the umbilical cord.
Blood from the placenta is carried by the umbilical vein. About half of this enters the ductus venosus and is carried to the inferior vena cava, while the other half enters the liver proper from the inferior border of the liver. The branch of the umbilical vein that supplies the right lobe of the liver first joins with the portal vein. The blood then moves to the right atrium of the heart. In the fetus, there is an opening between the right and left atrium (the foramen ovale), and most of the blood flows from the right into the left atrium, then into the left ventricle from where it is pumped through the aorta into the body. Some of the blood moves from the aorta through the internal iliac arteries to the placental arteries, and re-enters the placenta, where carbon dioxide and other waste products from the fetus are taken up and enter the mother's circulation.
Some of the blood from the right atrium does not enter the left atrium, but enters the right ventricle and is pumped into the pulmonary artery. In the fetus, there is a special connection between the pulmonary artery and the aorta, called the ductus arteriosus, which directs most of this blood away from the lungs (which aren't being used for respiration at this point as the fetus is suspended in amniotic fluid).
Differences to the adult circulatory system
Remnants of the fetal circulation can be found in adults:
* The fetal foramen ovale becomes the adult fosse ovalis.
* The fetal ductus arteriosus becomes the adult ligamentum arteriosum.
* The extra-hepatic portion of the fetal left umbilical vein becomes the adult ligamentum teres hepatis (the "round ligament of the liver").
* The intra-hepatic portion of the fetal left umbilical vein (the ductus venosus) becomes the adult ligamentum venosum.
* The proximal portions of the fetal left and right umbilical arteries become the adult umbilical branches of the internal iliac arteries.
* The distal portions of the fetal left and right umbilical arteries become the adult medial umbilical ligaments.
In addition to differences in circulation, the developing fetus also employs a different type of oxygen transport molecule than adults (adults use adult hemoglobin). Fetal hemoglobin enhances the fetus' ability to draw oxygen from the placenta.
The most prominent region of the developing fetus is the medulla abonglada.
Legal issues
An unborn child is a child in utero: "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb," according to legislation which passed the US Senate in March 2004.
Since the 1970s in the United States, a debate has alternately raged or simmered over the "personhood" of the fetus before birth. Arguments regarding the personhood of a fetus are particularly relevant to debates over the legal and moral status of abortions.
Whilst im pretty much in total agreement with you on abortion... I cannot agree with this train of thought....
Though i did until a certain day in time...
When one day in the future you are pregnant and you goto the hospital for your first scan... The moment you look at that monitor and for the first time see your child... You will never think of it as jus an 'embryo' ever again... and from that moment on you will see only a living , breathing, growing human being... Your child... Not an embryo...
You can disagree... but you will see when that day comes
Though i did until a certain day in time...
When one day in the future you are pregnant and you goto the hospital for your first scan... The moment you look at that monitor and for the first time see your child... You will never think of it as jus an 'embryo' ever again... and from that moment on you will see only a living , breathing, growing human being... Your child... Not an embryo...
You can disagree... but you will see when that day comes
The fact that you were a minor does not for one second change the fact that you did not suffer any cosnequences for killing a man, yet you insist on other people suffering the consequences of their own deeds, even if they themselves are minors as YOU were. If that is not hypocritical, I don't know what is.
And you so conviniently decided to skip my long post from above, and failed to answer me this question?
How exactly did you pay your dues, as you said you did.