Abortion, good or bad? (14 Viewers)

[Fred]

That was not my point.

But I get it,it was a bad example.

Comming back to the featus many experts argue it is alive when a heart is beating...but then again all lines are blurry. Precaution is the best solution and in situations of non consequential cases she just gotta live with it.

When does this happen?

 

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[The Curr]

Then the only time you can fuck is when you wanna make a baby. That COMPLETELY rules out masturbation or sex for pleasure. Can you live with that?

That's what Catholicism says.

Oh it's there alright. The egg that will nurture a lucky little sperm.

That's not an abortion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Errr... No. Because I don't see wanking and contraception as abortion. But if the definition is a ALC put it (preventing a soul/life from living) then it would be.

But every sperm is alive. Every sperm has a chance to become a baby. If you are wasting the sperm and not letting it come in contact with an egg, then that is effectively abortion. It's happening earlier than what we conventionally consider an abortion, but it is if you look at it with the belief that every sperm or an egg or a combination of both is effectively a baby.

 

[Klin]

How would an abortion work before there is anything to abort?

Wouldn't removing the fertilized egg from the body be enough for the "life" to end?

 

[IrishZebra]

That's your definition. But that would mean babies or people in bad health condition aren't alive. Even someone with diabetes doesn't fit that description

Not really you've mistaken 'assisted' to mean any form of material support. I mean that they can physically respire,excrete and cognate without a machine or umbilical cord.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's what Catholicism says.

Which is non-sense.

That's not an abortion.

Exactly. How far will they take it? How far will the define life?

 

[Kate]

I am, and this might come as a shock to you all, pro-choice.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

But every sperm is alive. Every sperm has a chance to become a baby. If you are wasting the sperm and not letting it come in contact with an egg, then that is effectively abortion. It's happening earlier than what we conventionally consider an abortion, but it is if you look at it with the belief that every sperm or an egg or a combination of both is effectively a baby.

You're telling me this like I've defined what being alive means. But I don't think science would count a sperm as a life--alive maybe, but not a life.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

When does this happen?

5 weeks is the safest bet.

 

[The Curr]

Wouldn't removing the fertilized egg from the body be enough for the "life" to end?

He's talking about doing it before the egg is fertilised.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

But every sperm is alive. Every sperm has a chance to become a baby. If you are wasting the sperm and not letting it come in contact with an egg, then that is effectively abortion. It's happening earlier than what we conventionally consider an abortion, but it is if you look at it with the belief that every sperm or an egg or a combination of both is effectively a baby.

Come on sheik,that's troll logic.

Its like saying you deny your sperm a life everytime you see and woman and not rape her.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I am, and this might come as a shock to you all, pro-choice.

You're kidding me!

You're telling me this like I've defined what being alive means. But I don't think science would count a sperm as a life--alive maybe, but not a life.

Exactly. Who does have a fixed definition of life? No one. But they still act like they know better and dictate what others should do.

 

[The Curr]

I am, and this might come as a shock to you all, pro-choice.

Why is that a shock?

 

[ALC]

I am, and this might come as a shock to you all, pro-choice.

:shock:

You're telling me this like I've defined what being alive means. But I don't think science would count a sperm as a life--alive maybe, but not a life.

A sperm is neither. Dropping sperm is no different than cutting your toenails or bleeding.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Exactly. Who does have a fixed definition of life? No one. But they still act like they know better and dictate what others should do.

I'm not arguing you with you here, just wanna know: At 9 months, on the hospital bed they decide to have an abortion (if that's medically possible), is that a life or not that they're taking?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Come on sheik,that's troll logic.

Its like saying you deny your sperm a life everytime you see and woman and not rape her.

I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous the whole thing is. Weren't you the one who said that every sperm and an egg has "life"? If so, then this is the extent you gotta take it seriously. And as you pointed out, you can't.

BTW, did you watch the video I posted?

 

[Klin]

I guess this could go on forever unless there is an exact definition and explanation of when does actual "life" really begins.

 

[Fred]

I guess this could go on forever unless there is an exact definition and explanation of when does actual "life" really begins.

Exactly.

 

[IrishZebra]

I guess this could go on forever unless there is an exact definition and explanation of when does actual "life" really begins.

Like the 'gay gene'

 

[ALC]

I guess this could go on forever unless there is an exact definition and explanation of when does actual "life" really begins.

Yep, that's why stem cell research got caught in such a bad position. A shame really, but now I think they've started to obtain the cells without having to "sacrifice" babies.

Like the 'gay gene'