Able Xavier Converts to Islam (33 Viewers)

[king Ale]

Change his mind about what?

 

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[king Ale]

No offense to anyone, but I don't think a European man can fully understand what is written in the Qu'ran just like that.

If he's not biased against Islam and Qoran, what's the difference between a European man and an African one?

 

[Fred]

Suppose that you had the chance to do so.

I don't follow, the chance to do what exactly?

 

[king Ale]

Fred, To read Qoran.

 

[IrishZebra]

No offense to anyone, but I don't think a European man can fully understand what is written in the Qu'ran just like that.

Have you read Ulysses in its original serialized version? shit makes twin peaks look like CSI:MIAMI . I think I can handle the ramblings of a demented arab.

I'm saving your past posts in case you change your mind after reading it.

But don't worry, you won't change your mind.

Save if you want to, the Zebra 's not for turning.

 

[swag]

No offense to anyone, but I don't think a European man can fully understand what is written in the Qu'ran just like that.

I didn't realize that the Mohammad reveal was limited by geographic boundaries.

("Offer not available in Europe and some parts of Asia.")

 

[Fred]

Fred, To read Qoran.

As a non muslim. I don't know, like i said before, i'd be lying if i told you i know the answer to that question.

 

[king Ale]

A European man is not likely to grasp all the cultural references/proverbs/history you find in the Qu'ran.

I probably shouldn't have said European, but something along the lines of western though.

A Westerner or you mean anyone whose language is not Arabic?

 

[IrishZebra]

A European man is not likely to grasp all the cultural references/proverbs/history you find in the Qu'ran.

I probably shouldn't have said European, but something along the lines of western though.

So because I'm not indoctrinated into your culture since birth it will make this harder to understand? I doubt it. Maybe harder to understand how you guys can believe the things in it.

 

[king Ale]

I didn't realize that the Mohammad reveal was limited by geographic boundaries.

("Offer not available in Europe and some parts of Asia.")

That's true. It has supposedly written (and available) for all the people all over the world.

As a non muslim. I don't know, like i said before, i'd be lying if i told you i know the answer to that question.

To what question exactly: That you would have read Qoran if you had been a Christian or that you would have converted to Islam if you had read Qoran as a Christian?

 

[king Ale]

The language part would make sense because with language often comes culture. I think that if you haven't been raised in a particular culture, it is more difficult to understand what that culture has to offer.

It's far from what Qoran is supposed to be.

 

[IrishZebra]

Ulysses is easier to understand for you than it is for me. Even if I would understand all the words.

If you understand the words, you understand Ulysses. I think the cultural nuances have added explanations, it's an english guide to the Qu'ran

The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic

 

[Fred]

That's true. It has supposedly written (and available) for all the people all over the world.



To what question exactly: That you would have read Qoran if you had been a Christian or that you would have converted to Islam if you had read Qoran as a Christian?

Both, i can't answer neither conclusively.

 

[IrishZebra]

I'm just saying.. there are things to consider. I don't think you'd ever be persuaded if you read the Qu'ran, but that doesn't necessarily mean the Qu'ran isn't convincing.

As twisted as my explanation might sound.

If it is the Holy Text of God then it will come through translated into any language.

 

[king Ale]

Both, i can't answer neither conclusively.

In fact I didn't ask you to answer the first question. That was the assumption, nothing is there for you to answer. You're a Christian, with Christian parents. You get the chance to read Qoran. Now this is the question: Will you convert to Islam? (excluding all the obstacles which would probably keep you from converting to Islam). You should know the answer to this question. You said you've read Qoran. What made you start believing in? Was it convincing enough to make you become a Muslim even if you had been born a Christian?

 

[king Ale]

Yes and no. The Qu'ran, despite popular belief, is also an historical document. Therefore culture does play a part. You could see the Qu'ran as something that has universal guidelines to offer (and it does), but at the same time I would never forego the context.

Since not everyone in the world gets the chance to raise through that culture and since all of Islam is based on this book, do you suggest that God has only aimed this book to the people of the Arab peninsula and to no one else?

 

[Fred]

In fact I didn't ask you to answer the first question. That was the assumption, nothing is there for you to answer. You're a Christian, with Christian parents. You get the chance to read Qoran. Now this is the question: Will you convert to Islam? (excluding all the obstacles which would probably keep you from converting to Islam). You should know the answer to this question. You said you've read Qoran. What made you start believing in? Was it convincing enough to make you become a Muslim even if you had been born a Christian?

There are going to be other factors that enter into the fray had i been a christian. It won't be the same thing. Your question is not just a simple, yes or no question. How should i know the answer to this question? I don't, i was never a christian, so i don't know how it would feel like for a non believer to read the Koran. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but i just can't answer your question.

 

[Azzurri7]

If we will look at it that way, many things are bad for health. how about fast food. meat (red kind) and many other food, if chicken is eaten not well cooked, it would poison you, and that link says "undercooked pork".. What was the point of this discussion anyway, didn't follow it from the start..

This post makes sense in a way.

Btw, too many people don't eat pork because the animal itself is disgusting and not because of religion like myself.

Feyye ekelak yeh ???

 

[Alen]

There are going to be other factors that enter into the fray had i been a christian. It won't be the same thing. Your question is not just a simple, yes or no question. How should i know the answer to this question? I don't, i was never a christian, so i don't know how it would feel like for a non believer to read the Koran. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but i just can't answer your question.

We all know that the answer to her question is "No, most probably I wouldn't have converted to Islam if I was born in a Christian family and I got to read the Quran. It would have been just another book to me, without anything special at all that would have forced me to accept Islam".

Now tell her this so she'd stop asking you all these questions

 

[king Ale]

No. Couldn't you say God might have wanted people to spread that culture so that everyone would be raised in it?

That doesn't make sense. Even now, Muslims all over the world are living through different cultures. This book is supposed to be understandable for every person, no matter what his language/culture/color/nationality is. It's in fact supposed to be the miracle of Qoran.

There are going to be other factors that enter into the fray had i been a christian. It won't be the same thing. Your question is not just a simple, yes or no question. How should i know the answer to this question? I don't, i was never a christian, so i don't know how it would feel like for a non believer to read the Koran. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but i just can't answer your question.

Na you didn't disappoint me. I expected the exact same answer from you. That's a simple assumption and a simpler question. You don't necessarily need to be a Christian to answer that. If what you read on Qoran was convincing enough (for you), you would have told me now that no matter where you had been born, you would have still found it convincing had you had the chance to read Qoran. By dodging the answer, you just show how much more you've been influenced by your parents beliefs (as well as the culture you've been growing up through) rather than what you read on Qoran.