A Thin Religious Line (19 Viewers)
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Why do we even discuss these things when most people here don't even have fundamental knowledge of Islam 
I know that sometimes both me and Martin can say something you won't like but it's never in a malicious way.
I'm learning a lot from all of you Muslims (well, from most of you if not all) and I do like the discussions you, Fred, Reb, Ahmed etc have with snake_midget and Hoori.
The latter were also Muslims in the past, they live in Muslim countries and surely know more than the rest of us non-Muslims. Both are educated so i'm taking their opinion on this seriously, just like I take yours or Reb's or Fred's etc.
What I want to tell you is that instead of saying what you said in the quoted part above, I'd really appreciate it if you actually give an answer and get involved more seriously in the discussion, the way you did with your previous post.
Grazie
Why do we even discuss these things when most people here don't even have fundamental knowledge of Islam
It's like you arrive to the scene of the accident 20 minutes late and start making statements but you have no fucking clue what just happened.
It's like you arrive to the scene of the accident 20 minutes late and start making statements but you have no fucking clue what just happened.
What Snake's version of the what the Koran says about polygamy is probably is not correct, yet it is probably shared by many many people worldwide. And that is a very big problem.
Look man, I'm not here to make judgments or pretend I know Islam. I'm here to learn. I spend much more time in these threads reading than I do speaking. Occasionally I ask a question or make a point when I'm on to something. You'll have to excuse my dumb ass for clouding your day.
Qur'an and Hadith.
One of the main reasons for being allowed to marry another woman is if your first wife could not bear children. With modern development in medicine this is very rare so there is no need to marry another woman. There are similar cases with other things.
I think you guys misunderstood me. What I meant was that sometimes some of these discussions we have are similar to trying to teach a child calculus when he has no knowledge of the times table; it just won't make any sense.
We (Muslims) didn't learn all this over one night. We learned this and acquired all this knowledge over time.
One of the main reasons for being allowed to marry another woman is if your first wife could not bear children. With modern development in medicine this is very rare so there is no need to marry another woman. There are similar cases with other things.
Do it for the sake of guys like me and Martin who are indeed eager to learn.
I know that sometimes both me and Martin can say something you won't like but it's never in a malicious way.
I'm learning a lot from all of you Muslims (well, from most of you if not all) and I do like the discussions you, Fred, Reb, Ahmed etc have with snake_midget and Hoori.
The latter were also Muslims in the past, they live in Muslim countries and surely know more than the rest of us non-Muslims. Both are educated so i'm taking their opinion on this seriously, just like I take yours or Reb's or Fred's etc.
What I want to tell you is that instead of saying what you said in the quoted part above, I'd really appreciate it if you actually give an answer and get involved more seriously in the discussion, the way you did with your previous post.
Grazie
I know that sometimes both me and Martin can say something you won't like but it's never in a malicious way.
I'm learning a lot from all of you Muslims (well, from most of you if not all) and I do like the discussions you, Fred, Reb, Ahmed etc have with snake_midget and Hoori.
The latter were also Muslims in the past, they live in Muslim countries and surely know more than the rest of us non-Muslims. Both are educated so i'm taking their opinion on this seriously, just like I take yours or Reb's or Fred's etc.
What I want to tell you is that instead of saying what you said in the quoted part above, I'd really appreciate it if you actually give an answer and get involved more seriously in the discussion, the way you did with your previous post.
Grazie
We (Muslims) didn't learn all this over one night. We learned this and acquired all this knowledge over time.
Qoran and Hadith? Where exactly is it mentioned in Qoran?
It doesn't make sense at all because in many cases this is the man who is sterile.
You either approve the whole thing of men being allowed to take more than one wife or not. If you do, the case is closed. If you don't, are you going to disapprove a clear Qoran saying with adjusting it by time saying that since the reasons for that law don't apply for this time, men must be forbidden to have more than one wife just like the women?
It doesn't make sense at all because in many cases this is the man who is sterile.
You either approve the whole thing of men being allowed to take more than one wife or not. If you do, the case is closed. If you don't, are you going to disapprove a clear Qoran saying with adjusting it by time saying that since the reasons for that law don't apply for this time, men must be forbidden to have more than one wife just like the women?
Well yeah, the rest of us can't really understand those things the way you do, and many times we can't understand them at all, but we can at least get some kind of idea and your discussions with people who were born in a Muslim world, educated there, were Muslim themselves and still live there, are surely helping us a lot.
You're the system and they're the rebels. With your discussions, who sometimes get heated, we actually do learn a lot, even if we don't completely understand.
You're the system and they're the rebels. With your discussions, who sometimes get heated, we actually do learn a lot, even if we don't completely understand.
You are really something 
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
I am not sure whether thats a fact but its still practiced in some Islamic Countries.. I don't have time for research now.
I think the correct term is concubines. So let me get this straight, you think its okay for lets say the USA Soldiers to take afghani women as slaves instead of just shooting them? what about not harming them at all?
I go into your country and defeat your army and its okay for me to take your women as slaves because i could kill them if i want to... now thats divine Justice!
The Prophet himself took Maria the Coptic as a concubines and there are opposing theories about whether she died a christian concubine, or died a christian wife or died as a muslim wife. He received her as a GIFT... a woman as a GIFT.
Women can't marry more than one man because it would've been impossible to find out which is the father (thats one reason i've been told).
But yes part of the concept of having 4 wives is so you can fulfill your sexual fantasies... actually that + having a wife that cant give birth are the 2 most popular circumstances for that.
If you seriously think that Human Rights and Islamic law Go hand in Hand then seriously
. Btw, i do not have a wrong understanding of Islam as you claim i do... but obviously Islam manifests itself differently in different parts of the world and points of focus are different.
Plus you are not even a Sunni Muslim so that makes the dialogue between us much more difficult. I have no clue about Ahmadiyya Teachings and so far all my attacks are on Sunni Islam. I'd like the other Sunni Muslims to give their response as well because i hardly believe they share your beliefs
Tahir's acting as if we're mentally challenged and we don't understand what's going on. Of course we can't quote Islamic law, but we do have the ability to get the gist of the conversation. It isn't as if it's that difficult to understand anyway.
Last time I checked this was a Juventus forum, not a Islamic forum. So if people want to have discussions involving Islam they better be willing to accept a few infidels butting in from time to time.
Last time I checked this was a Juventus forum, not a Islamic forum. So if people want to have discussions involving Islam they better be willing to accept a few infidels butting in from time to time.
Forza King Abdullah... there is hope after all
http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINTRE5932RQ20091004
http://in.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idINTRE5932RQ20091004
