A Thin Religious Line (4 Viewers)
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Okay, first of all Islam allows Slavery. Slavery is abolished in Saudi Arabia as recent as the 60's. If it wasn't for the west we'd still have it to this day imo.
Even though Slavery is not Haram it is Makrooh(hated) just like divorce is... . There is no hidden Islamic Project to abolish slavery like what happened with alcohol.
Alcohol was Makrooh but ended up becoming Haram and one of the worst sins a muslim can make.. this is both in Quran and Hadith.
Slavery was NEVER mentioned as Haram. In fact, in the Quran, Man has the right to sleep with his female slaves (yet masturbation is a sin lol).
If you look at Arabia before and after Islam and compare the two..
you'll notice that Islam has given MORE rights to women living there... MORE rights to Slave... and ELEVATED the Moral system that pre-Islamic arabia had.
BUT, most muslims deem the moral codes of the Quran Eternal and unchangeable. And so, You ARE ALLOWED to have Slaves religiously speaking.
Regarding Polygamy, Man is allowed to marry up to 4 wives in so far as he thinks that he can treat them equally. I think it did start because of the small number of muslims back at the time + the death rate=reproduction was highly encouraged. Nevertheless, it was never abolished and is still allowed to this day (religiously speaking).
Part of the justification for the Stoning punishment of adultery is that the Man is allowed 4 wives + sleeping with slaves.
If you can fuck 4 wives + your slaves and yet you still fool around then you are a horny mother fucker who cant keep his pants on... thats basically the justification behind stoning.
Even though Slavery is not Haram it is Makrooh(hated) just like divorce is... . There is no hidden Islamic Project to abolish slavery like what happened with alcohol.
Alcohol was Makrooh but ended up becoming Haram and one of the worst sins a muslim can make.. this is both in Quran and Hadith.
Slavery was NEVER mentioned as Haram. In fact, in the Quran, Man has the right to sleep with his female slaves (yet masturbation is a sin lol).
If you look at Arabia before and after Islam and compare the two..
you'll notice that Islam has given MORE rights to women living there... MORE rights to Slave... and ELEVATED the Moral system that pre-Islamic arabia had.
BUT, most muslims deem the moral codes of the Quran Eternal and unchangeable. And so, You ARE ALLOWED to have Slaves religiously speaking.
Regarding Polygamy, Man is allowed to marry up to 4 wives in so far as he thinks that he can treat them equally. I think it did start because of the small number of muslims back at the time + the death rate=reproduction was highly encouraged. Nevertheless, it was never abolished and is still allowed to this day (religiously speaking).
Part of the justification for the Stoning punishment of adultery is that the Man is allowed 4 wives + sleeping with slaves.
If you can fuck 4 wives + your slaves and yet you still fool around then you are a horny mother fucker who cant keep his pants on... thats basically the justification behind stoning.
@ if it wasn't for the West
You are really something 
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
You are really something
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
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It's not the reason for them taking second wives but it's definitely giving them the needed permission.
Qoran clearly lets men take more than one wife. Nothing is being said there with regards to the wars, etc. Muslims take their life instructions from Qoran so you can't blame them for taking more than one wife even if you see it as abusing Qoran instructions. If a law is "free'' to be abused by the people, it's the vulnerability of that law not the problem of people who abuse it in a way which suits them the most. Suppose that in a particular situation, the government legitimates it for people to carry guns with themselves however this isn't being mentioned that this is an interim law. When the case is over, when the point of carrying guns doesn't stand anymore, some people might go on walking armed on the streets because there's no law prohibiting them. You can't blame them. The law and the ones who've legitimated it are to blame.
No no. I can assure you that for most of the men taking the second wife is not a tool to humiliate the first one. You are 60, you've got wife and kids. You fell for a young girl and you don't want to get a divorce from your first wife. Your religion clearly allows you to marry the second so why not?
I like your take on this matter Reb but it sure has a lot to do with Islam and Qoran.
Exactly. This is the only conditione being pointed out in Qoran.
No way. Women too are getting stoned and they can't have four husbands at the same time.
Qoran clearly lets men take more than one wife. Nothing is being said there with regards to the wars, etc. Muslims take their life instructions from Qoran so you can't blame them for taking more than one wife even if you see it as abusing Qoran instructions. If a law is "free'' to be abused by the people, it's the vulnerability of that law not the problem of people who abuse it in a way which suits them the most. Suppose that in a particular situation, the government legitimates it for people to carry guns with themselves however this isn't being mentioned that this is an interim law. When the case is over, when the point of carrying guns doesn't stand anymore, some people might go on walking armed on the streets because there's no law prohibiting them. You can't blame them. The law and the ones who've legitimated it are to blame.
No no. I can assure you that for most of the men taking the second wife is not a tool to humiliate the first one. You are 60, you've got wife and kids. You fell for a young girl and you don't want to get a divorce from your first wife. Your religion clearly allows you to marry the second so why not?
I like your take on this matter Reb but it sure has a lot to do with Islam and Qoran.
Exactly. This is the only conditione being pointed out in Qoran.
No way. Women too are getting stoned and they can't have four husbands at the same time.
You are really something
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
One of the first people to accept Islam was Hadhrat Bilal, a slave. Why would he accept a religion if the very thing he ran away from was also practiced by Muslims? Jesus Christ, where do you get all this from?
Stoning is not allowed by Islam, it was only practiced, in accordance to Jewish law, until relevant instructions were revealed from the Qur'an.
The women you're referring to as "slaves" were women who were prisoners of war. Rather than imprisoning them and treating them like shit (which they would have had it not been for this) people were given the permission to marry them and have them as wives. With this they were allowed to carry on a decent and normal life (as normal as you can have as a prisoner of war).
The entire concept of having four wives is not so that you can sleep around. There are different circumstances under which you are allowed to marry more than one wife. None of which include to fulfill your perverted sexual fantasies. The reason why women can't marry more than one man is because most cultures follow paternal lineage.
