A second look at Virginia Tech (17 Viewers)

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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ßüякε;1835368 said:
Yea, Eazy, what's the deal man, I would have rolled with you. Soccer team rolls together.

But yea, parts of Middle School were hard for me too.


Yea, like fuckin' computers and less like humans.

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OHH SHIT TIME TO SHOOT PEOPLE!
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Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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ßüякε;1835368 said:
Yea, like fuckin' computers and less like humans.

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OHH SHIT TIME TO SHOOT PEOPLE!
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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Or you can put the question the other way around. What If your brother was one of the victims?
If you're mad cause your brother is dead and now you're all sad and cryin' guess what? You're a friggin' pussy too and now it's your turn to run to Wal-mart load 'em guns up and go cap some fools. And if those fools peoples is sad cause you killed 'em they can just suck on it cause they're pussies too. And they can all go shoot some fools to get in touch with their gay and all that. And if those fools that them gays shot's peoples don't like that them gays shot 'em... They're friggin' pussies too and can go boohoo to mama's and Wal-marts and shoot up some peoples cause it's too hard to cry like baby boys. And those baby boys are pussies because they cry so much and suck on boobies and don't talk about the feelings. So they can grow up and shoot people and if those peoples people don't like it. They're pussies too and homopussies which is worse because...

THIS THREAD IS GETTING REPETITIVE!:D
 
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Martin

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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    Or you can put the question the other way around. What If your brother was one of the victims?
    And you know why he was one of the victims? Because he was living in a society that ruined this guy Cho's life. In fact, he was probably one of those people who saw Cho a couple times a week and always made sure to stay well clear of him, point fingers at him behind his back. This is exactly the point of the thread, societies are responsible for their members.
     

    Geof

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    May 14, 2004
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    So the point of this thread is that crimes are in fact much more the fault of society as a whole than the fault of the individuals committing those crimes?
    As a consequence, we should put a lot more weight in preventing those crimes to happen, by making sure everyone "fits" into society (or at least doesn't feel rejected), rather than concentrating on the repressive part, i.e. punishing the criminals and locking them up where applicable?

    I'd say that's not exactly a new idea, but it still has a lot of value. The only problem with it is a rather practical one: how do you implement it?
    Education goes a long way, but is certainly not the ultimate solution. Oh the irony, those killings went on at education sites...

    So, reeducating the whole society to make sure there's no bullying any more (impossible, I believe)? Assigning a big brother per citizen to follow your mental development (no thanks)? Training teachers, coaches etc to detect "abnormal behaviour" (difficult, VERY expensive, and possibly ineffective: difficult kids tend not to show their feelings to teachers, and teachers already have a lot of work)?

    The best solution is probably just good old fashioned parenting. I believe parents expect too much from teachers and school in general. A socially failing kid is often a sign that parents failed at their task. But in a world where both parents need to work all day...
     
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    Martin

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    So the point of this thread is that crimes are in fact much more the fault of society as a whole than the fault of the individuals committing those crimes?
    As a consequence, we should put a lot more weight in preventing those crimes to happen, by making sure everyone "fits" into society (or at least doesn't feel rejected), rather than concentrating on the repressive part, i.e. punishing the criminals and locking them up where applicable?

    I'd say that's not exactly a new idea, but it still has a lot of value. The only problem with it is a rather practical one: how do you implement it?
    Education goes a long way, but is certainly not the ultimate solution. Oh the irony, those killings went on at education sites...

    So, reeducating the whole society to make sure there's no bullying any more (impossible, I believe)? Assigning a big brother per citizen to follow your mental development (no thanks)? Training teachers, coaches etc to detect "abnormal behaviour" (difficult, VERY expensive, and possibly ineffective: difficult kids tend not to show their feelings to teachers, and teachers already have a lot of work)?

    The best solution is probably just good old fashioned parenting. I believe parents expect too much from teachers and school in general. A socially failing kid is often a sign that parents failed at their task. But in a world where both parents need to work all day...
    You're taking a very distant stance from this discussion, asking a lot of questions that don't follow from the debate. If you read what's been debated you'll be able to get much closer to what we've been talking about.
     

    Nenz

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    If you had gun control he wouldn't have shot up the school he would have probably either taken his own life or stabbed someone and got arrested.
    Either way, at the end of it the bad guy is gone and more lives are saved. First sort out the gun problem then worry about the poor kids feelings because the latter will take much longer to solve.
     

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