If Moggi has that much control over football in Serie A we'd win the domestic double every single season.
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‘Evil Moggi’ Accused Of Corrupting Football (3 Viewers)
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Do you realise how hilarious that sounds? Are you just defending your team or do you really believe it?
There is no such things as morals in business, and football is business, you try to do the best you can within legal limits, or not to get caught if you step out of those limits.
If non-Sensi hasnt tried anything then he's quite simply stupid.
You people can say what you want about Sensi. That he is a whining dwarf with a complex of persecution. That he does nothing to improve the discrepancy between Northern teams (or indeed Northern Italy) and Southern teams. That oftentimes he should look into the mirror before talking.
But the fact remains that Franco Sensi is the only big club President that invests in the club with his OWN money. The tifosi want Cassano? Here comes a nice fat check signed by him. The clubs' finances are in the red? Alright then, uncle Franco will dig a few tens of millions euros out of his personal fortune to make them balanced again.
Unlike, say, Cragnotti’s Lazio - the epitome of this syndrome, and look at him today - who could always rely on their good relations with the country’s big banks - i.e. on the Italian taxpayers’ money ! - to contract debts worth hundreds of millions of euros to compensate for their mismanagement and suicidal spending sprees.
So Sensi may not be a role model. He simply belongs to the old school of the "stupid rich presidents" that were Rizzoli and Angelo Moratti in the 60’s, i.e. those industrialists with a lot of money on their hands who just didn’t know how to best waste it. But he is a far lesser evil than the cancer that is Moggi, the unaccountable, unquestioned, unrepenting Machiavelli of Italian football that has built an Empire on other people’s backs.
If you want further elaboration on my take on the plague of the modern club manager, read the message I posted in this thread. :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9506&pagenumber=2
But the fact remains that Franco Sensi is the only big club President that invests in the club with his OWN money. The tifosi want Cassano? Here comes a nice fat check signed by him. The clubs' finances are in the red? Alright then, uncle Franco will dig a few tens of millions euros out of his personal fortune to make them balanced again.
Unlike, say, Cragnotti’s Lazio - the epitome of this syndrome, and look at him today - who could always rely on their good relations with the country’s big banks - i.e. on the Italian taxpayers’ money ! - to contract debts worth hundreds of millions of euros to compensate for their mismanagement and suicidal spending sprees.
So Sensi may not be a role model. He simply belongs to the old school of the "stupid rich presidents" that were Rizzoli and Angelo Moratti in the 60’s, i.e. those industrialists with a lot of money on their hands who just didn’t know how to best waste it. But he is a far lesser evil than the cancer that is Moggi, the unaccountable, unquestioned, unrepenting Machiavelli of Italian football that has built an Empire on other people’s backs.
If you want further elaboration on my take on the plague of the modern club manager, read the message I posted in this thread. :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9506&pagenumber=2
Libero, I followed your link and read your lenghty post. Thanks for the mention!
It is my opinion that Moggi loves this "Evil" and "Darth Vader" tag he has, and he plays it up by failing to give honest answers to any media questions. I wonder if Moggi really has as much power as people claim, and if so, how did Moggi become so damn powerful?
When claims are made that Juve has benefitted from questionable referee decisions, Moggi responds with a crooked smile and says that the referee is one of the most promising in today's game. If he would quit pulling shit like this (and if he was not so ugly), I am certain that people would drop the "evil" tag.
It is my opinion that Moggi loves this "Evil" and "Darth Vader" tag he has, and he plays it up by failing to give honest answers to any media questions. I wonder if Moggi really has as much power as people claim, and if so, how did Moggi become so damn powerful?
When claims are made that Juve has benefitted from questionable referee decisions, Moggi responds with a crooked smile and says that the referee is one of the most promising in today's game. If he would quit pulling shit like this (and if he was not so ugly), I am certain that people would drop the "evil" tag.
Well Pado I think the reason why Moggi makes these dubious jokes is because he believes (perhaps correctly) that he has now become untouchable.
After all, we’re talking about a man who has been involved in basically all the serie A scandals of the past 25 years and who has always come out unscathed. There's even more to it : while heads rolled around him, Lucky Luciano has always emerged stronger and more powerful from it.
The betting scandal in the early 80’s had the effect of earning him a name in the football world. As the general manager of Maradona’s Napoli, he has seen all the major figures of that crazy era roll into the dust (starting with Napoli’s president Ferlaino) while himself becoming the man you can't do without. He then went to Torino and history repeated itself : the team and its president Borsano gets swallowed up by scandals but Moggi saves his arse (despite his friendliness with referees, the Lentini case, other unexistent transfers of which as the team’s director he could not be unaware). And finally his advent at Juve and all the recent history which most of us know. So if you had managed to "come out clean" out of this all mess, wouldn't you start feeling omnipotent and begin to make dubious jokes about it publicly?
Although Moggi's qualities as a talent scout (ex : launching Zola at Napoli) and his proven flair for excellent bargains (ex : buy Vieri for peanuts and sell him for a fortune, and so many others) are for all to see, the real story of his career remains an enigma, and I find it a bit sad that some of the Juve fans here idolize him while my own juventini cousins in Turin consider him as little less than a mobster.
After all, we’re talking about a man who has been involved in basically all the serie A scandals of the past 25 years and who has always come out unscathed. There's even more to it : while heads rolled around him, Lucky Luciano has always emerged stronger and more powerful from it.
The betting scandal in the early 80’s had the effect of earning him a name in the football world. As the general manager of Maradona’s Napoli, he has seen all the major figures of that crazy era roll into the dust (starting with Napoli’s president Ferlaino) while himself becoming the man you can't do without. He then went to Torino and history repeated itself : the team and its president Borsano gets swallowed up by scandals but Moggi saves his arse (despite his friendliness with referees, the Lentini case, other unexistent transfers of which as the team’s director he could not be unaware). And finally his advent at Juve and all the recent history which most of us know. So if you had managed to "come out clean" out of this all mess, wouldn't you start feeling omnipotent and begin to make dubious jokes about it publicly?
Although Moggi's qualities as a talent scout (ex : launching Zola at Napoli) and his proven flair for excellent bargains (ex : buy Vieri for peanuts and sell him for a fortune, and so many others) are for all to see, the real story of his career remains an enigma, and I find it a bit sad that some of the Juve fans here idolize him while my own juventini cousins in Turin consider him as little less than a mobster.
Here we go again.
Must I dig out that essay I posted on my true feelings about Silvio Berlusconi?
Or maybe the link I provided at the end of my first post in the present thread where I state that this new "way of doing football" was launched by Berlusca's Milan and that our own Galliani is just a smiling version of Moggi will suffice?
Italian football has a serious problem, and while fans unfortunately have no real say in making things change, their attempts at excusing their team's flaws by saying other people's turds smell too is not helping.
The only big club president's who is seriously trying to change a situation that has become unsustainable is Lazio's Lotito. Hopefully it won't take what it took in Lazio's case to open people's eyes (though our talents are already sailing for sunnier shores). Otherwise we might have to speak of the serie A in the past tense in a not so distant future.
And Martin : that's an excellent question, so much that I can't answer it. I wish I could buy that unauthorized biography of Moggi, which has become impossible to find. Apparently it's full of interesting elements that shed some light on the mysterious advent of Moggi (who despite the clamour and outrage chose not to sue the book's authors).
Ideally that question should be asked to Moggi himself, but we know how he likes to deal with annoying questions.
Must I dig out that essay I posted on my true feelings about Silvio Berlusconi?
Or maybe the link I provided at the end of my first post in the present thread where I state that this new "way of doing football" was launched by Berlusca's Milan and that our own Galliani is just a smiling version of Moggi will suffice?
Italian football has a serious problem, and while fans unfortunately have no real say in making things change, their attempts at excusing their team's flaws by saying other people's turds smell too is not helping.
The only big club president's who is seriously trying to change a situation that has become unsustainable is Lazio's Lotito. Hopefully it won't take what it took in Lazio's case to open people's eyes (though our talents are already sailing for sunnier shores). Otherwise we might have to speak of the serie A in the past tense in a not so distant future.
And Martin : that's an excellent question, so much that I can't answer it. I wish I could buy that unauthorized biography of Moggi, which has become impossible to find. Apparently it's full of interesting elements that shed some light on the mysterious advent of Moggi (who despite the clamour and outrage chose not to sue the book's authors).
Ideally that question should be asked to Moggi himself, but we know how he likes to deal with annoying questions.