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As Charles Barkley says, They fool you once shame on you, they fool you 5 times that just makes you a damn idiot. In other words keep blaming "unluck" and have the same mindset, and we're going to wait another 20 years for the CL. Barca and Real in Spain, United in England, Bayern in Germany...

So subbing Morata who had the game of his life up 0-2 in Munich has nothing to do with us crashing out? I didn't say playing style was the problem, I said mindset.

So a club can't evolve? That exact excuse you're using right there is why this club hasn't won the Champions League for 20 years. We made it to the CL final meeting a team playing modern football in 2015. We have to evolve and I think we have the squad to evolve. We don't have to be Bayern or...

Preparing for the huge game that is Dinamo Zagreb who lost 3-0 to freakin Lyon? :lol: Jump off Allegri's $#@ and be rational for once instead of making excuses for every pathetic performance. We've had two meaningful games this year and won none. I don't even bother about the league, we're...

This game showed me why we're going to win the league easily this year. No other team in Serie A can play this bad and still escape with a win. In the case of Mandzukic, he's reminding me of Rooney a bit. Plays absolutely horrendous, but starts games due to his name, wage and relationship...

He might have made them more organised but take the game against Roma f.ex, at Bernabeu they had literally close to 40 shots, and converted 2. It's still an attack-minded team.

No. You said Allegri's only job is only to win games, I said Zidane and Enrique has to win games playing exciting football with loads of goals. There's a difference.

You basically made my point. Zidane, Enrique and Ancelotti has to do more than just win games. They have to do it the "right" way, hence my point that the "right" way in Italian football is vastly different to other countries and we as Juve fans have to accept it. Look at the criticism Pep...

http://www.football-italia.net/91828/allegri-excessive-juve-criticism

Allegri does have the typical Italian mentality which promotes safety first, no question about that. After the game today he says: "though perhaps when 2-0 up we should’ve controlled the tempo, and instead we poured forward looking for a third goal with a little too much haste." If Zidane...

As mentioned before on this forum, the 3-5-2 in itself isn't the problem, it's how the coach and the team expresses it. Players can have off nights and lack severely on a technical level which makes it look awful, as against Inter. For the most part it looks great in Serie A. I still...

The best football in the Allegri era imo was played in 2014/2015 right after Christmas when Pirlo was injured and he went with the 4-3-1-2. Pereyra was the AM with Pogba, Vidal and Marchsio behind him. Tevez and Morata were deadly on the counter. All of those names are gone now (including the...

One thing Allegri mentioned after the game, that some defeats once in a while are healthy for a team to regain focus and hunger. I totally agree with him on that one. And we should look for the team to peak after Christmas, not now. Even though he's made some weird choices, I expect him to...

I think todays game showed how important Lemina is going to be for us until Marchisio is back. He's made great strides, and im totally convinced our midfield wouldn't get ran over against Inter as it did with him in the middle of the park.

Allegri and the team approached this game with incredible arrogance. Like we didn't care cause we were waiting on one moment of brilliance that would bail us out. You can't sustain such an approach for too long, it will come back to bite you. These last two games, he's got the selection...

I think Pjaca is the only one who can step into that SS position Dybala plays. Being young and new in this team, if he would've had a bad game his confidence would be shattered. So I kinda understand Allegri in that sense. Benching Higuain though I don't quite get either.

Honestly, it's ridiculous how much better our team is compared to United's. No surprise he struggles. GK: Buffon > De Gea (Buffon is more than a GK, he's a great defensive organizer, leader) CB: Bonucci/Chiellini/Barzagli > Bailly/Blind/Smalling LB: Sandro/Evra > Shaw/Rojo RB...

It's not like it's the end of the world. If we beat Lyon we're basically back on track. Sevilla away is a must win though, just like it was last year.

I thought Lemina was decent this game. He pushed the ball into spaces and offered far more than Asamoah and Khedira. Lemina played DM but still ran straight at their defense more times than Asamoah and Khedira combined.

Allegri sometimes tries to be too smart for his own good. Just like when he subbed off Morata against Bayern last year when he was killing their defense. Barcelona field their best players against Celtic, but Juventus suddenly bench two vital starters against the EL winners. Makes no sense...