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Great read, thanks! I'm adding the original article from the wall street journal if anyone interested since it requires membership

@s4tch https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-03/the-price-for-europe-to-wean-off-russian-gas-keeps-going-up?srnd=premium-middle-east

Strawman much? It wasn't even me who brought it up initially And the single time I "cried" about policing was this post and it wasn't even about me Your respons

You see that horrible image and that's your first sentence? really?

:tup: People should just not be shocked this happened as it happened before and it worked out for him 1648846982 Ha, I missed that, Vintage RUS :touched: And PostIronic agreeing of course

That's his thing

Punishing them for Georgia and Crimea mainly. Or calling his bluff by putting soldiers on the ground before the invasion if they had balls

Russia invasion would have happened eventually regardless of NATO existence for sure. But the other side of that is that NATO was the only one who could have stopped Russia and they didn't.

Maybe, it doesn't seem very well planed. Would also have more time to prepare for dealing with sanctions, gas pipeline to china, I don't know, can be anyone guess.

More like forced to or rushed then choose imo. It's part of it maybe, also there was this in January this year so definitely I can see Putin thinking a window is closing. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3383492-bill-to-grant-ukraine-nato-plus-status-submitted-to-us-congress.html...

:lol:

:sergio: :lol: Thank you for proving my point you dolt

Absolutely none of it would :grin: My assertion wasn't that he wouldn't like to , It was that he know he can't. 1648841069 The second part of that sentence that you left out was "and russia not wanting to wait for it to happen", or something along those lines. Can easily flip your assertion...

Nah, That's a cope out. RUS have been calling me names and hurling personal insults at me for weeks now. I was always super civil with him despite that. So It's obvious I've been trolling RUS a little for a day or 2. I've even told PostIronic in private I'm doing it and now you two acts like...

As I said, if he was tuz member you would brand him a putin apologist and NATO blamer

It true. I dont think he aims to annex west ukrain cause of inability to do so, not lack of want.

Preach

He also said bio labs, nazis, NATO and a million other reasons. You pick his "true" reason to suite you argument You'er either trolling or you cant comprehend text. Either way Im not bothering with strawmman arguments anymore.

Just trying to keep it lively :grin: The funny thing is I probebly dislike Russia and have more reasons to then all the triggered westren zelots here crying putin apologist constently.

Thats fair, its a part of the considrations. But you can also look at this and say that at his lowest ever heis at 60%, which is absourdly high. If those numbers legit it proves my point that he is an extansion of russian sentiment. 1648814551 Again, I have never said or contridicted the fact...