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Stupid decision. The guy has to stop at some point in time, you know.

Chxta, if I read that post of yours in which you state you killed a guy, it doesn't sound like there are circumstances that makes things better. Basically you say: I killed a guy, but I got away with it because he was drunk. Oh wait a minute, you didn't even say he was drunk. And now you're...

Gray, to make things clear: I never assumed you were catholic in the first place. I just said that your point of view was pretty similar to what every catholic out there says. And yes, I do believe my point of view is more independent. Not that your opinion can't be well supported, but since...

I can't help, but this opinion is represented by pretty much every catholic out there.

I know :D.

Well that's hardly flattering.

Please. It's nice to have a well thought out argument when people think for you. Whether or not it's well thought out doesn't mean it can't be indoctrinated.

Oh please, why would it be ignorant? I know exactly why Gray is against abortion and I'm also fully aware that his opinion is pretty much indoctrinated. Definitely when the origin of his belief is christian.

Exactly. I can't believe Gray's attitude towards this. So catholic.. is he catholic? It's simply appalling that one still thinks that way in this century. So, anyone against euthanasia and gay marriages? Or spilled semen? Yes, gray, we should seriously stop people from masturbating.

That's a strange conclusion you made there, for circumstances were different thousands of years ago than they are now.

Is it fair to destroy one?

Please, like most guys wouldn't run away. blablabla, pregnancy can be a punishment, gray. Don't act like we should all thank God for everything that happens to us. Some people don't want those children, hence it feels like a punishment. Obviously it's their fault, but why should they be...

What a disgusting attitude you show there, Gray. Now I noticed you're not a girl. What about they boy? It hardly seems fair she has to take all the blame. "Just a precaution", please, it works in 99 percent of the cases, most people are pretty confident that the precaution is going to do its...

Like the kid has a conscious anyway. I doubt an embryo is more worthwile than an everyday bug. If you don't want a child, the embryo means nothing. All an embryo stands for is child that is going to be born. If you don't want the child it's useless. It's completely different than killing a human...

You see, this only strengthens my point.

What about the parents's rights? Do they have to suffer for the rest of their lives because they have an, unwanted, handicapped child?

Oh please. Your birthday is the day you got born. Before that you weren't born, thus you weren't living. Yeah yeah, I know what's your objection, but hey, then rejecting masturbation is right as well, because sperm, just as an embryo, is possible life.

You can't be against abortion unless you're a blind religious fanatic or a retard. EDIT: since you can only be a religious fanatic when you're a retard, I guess only the latter is relevant here. so: you can't be against abortion unless you're a fvcking retard.

I used to just read this forum, mostly just Juve stuff, but I guess I saw you mention it or something.

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