Your Views: What Future Awaits Juventus? (14 Viewers)

[Primo]

First of all, I have been a Juventus fan through the years and I have never supported any other club than them. They are in my blood and as disappointing the elimination from the Champions League was, I thought that they did deserve to be eliminated. The sad thing though is that their performance was under par against a team which many considered, (even the neutral fan), to a team that was probably within their grasp.

The winter sale of other players such as Tudor and Legrottaglie proved to be wrong moves as they would have provided more cushion to the injuries we’ve had.

Perhaps it is time to admit that we aren’t really the best team in Europe this season. Though, we still are one of the best and are probably better than some teams who are progressing to the semis.

Over the two legs, I can say that Juventus were the better team in terms of imposing themselves on the game. Although, Liverpool had a game plan and they were able to achieve this by scoring just two goals in 25 minutes and only concede 1 over 180 minutes, you do the math. In the end, it was a David and Goliath story, the witty outclasses the brawn. In this case, Pool with Rafael Benitez and Juve with Fabio Capello.

The thing is, Juventus really don’t play badly this season. If there were changes to be made, I think it would not me a clear-out like what happened last year. Juventus only need reinforcements and depth in squad.

I know a lot of my fellow Juventus fans won’t agree with me on this but I will seriously consider Fabio Capello’s future at the club. Yes, he is a great coach but he just doesn’t seem to fit the bill in my opinion. I don’t’ see him getting the most of our players’ talents even though he did get the Juventus defence back on track. But besides that, I don’t see any improvement from the different parts of the team. The attack looks lost with Capello’s plans and the midfield is lackluster as it was all season. But still, you can not deny the players’ talents and I can only see them deteriorating under Capello’s helm. He just can’t seem to get the most of them like the way Lippi did. I would love to take my chances with Didier Deschamps’ direction as he seems more suited already to the “Juventus Way” of doing things.

Despite that, I can not really blame any of the players for their exit as they did what the coach had asked them to do. Perhaps it is time to admit, that it is the man off the pitch that is not performing.

Forza Juve!

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

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[Bjerknes]

I still don't understand this notion of Capello not getting the most out of his players. This argument does not work IMO.

Camoranesi, Emerson, Cannavaro, Zebina, and Zalayeta have all had better seasons than in the previous year. Camoranesi, Zebina, and Cannavaro especially in this matter.

Ibrahimovic has not had a bad season for his year at the Club. It's also hard to get the most out of players like Trezeguet and Nedved when they are frequently injured.

I still have not heard or read a good argument for getting rid of Capello in favor of another manager. Most of it is just raw emotions.

 

[Daddi]

I think we will come back and dominate that's the future of Juventus. As we did in the past..

 

[Elnur_E65]

What to do?

Whom to blame?

Capello!!!!

Sell Trez!

Iran has the nukes!


I am totally lost

 

[- vOnAm -]

Primo, reading from ur other posts I think there is a hinch of bias towards ur opinion of Capello, it seems to me u really don't want t let DP go and u blame Capello also for not playing him so much.

i think DP is doing better this season because he is put on the bench more often, and if I were to chose I'd chose DP to leave and Capello to stay than vice versa (not trying to create havoc here merely commenting the situation).

 

[/usr/bin]

Cappello needs to go out.. seriously.. It's his fault we're out of the champions league, and it's his fault we lost the 8 point lead.. Long balls??? WHY?!? He also made a 433, which was doing quite well, and then trashed it to make room for a barely-fit underpar Nedved.. I read that moggi said that he's 100% sure cappello staying.. Let's hope that's one of his usual lies..

 

[Adrian]

capello has made the team solid, but has taken away any creativeness the team had previously.

was selling iuliano and loaning out legro or tudor a mistake? no, all in all these type of players are not good enough anymore for juventus, some never were.

i think capello and moggi have to realise that the team has lacked spark since zidane left. since then, we have always been solid but never been able to really show that we can play great football. yes we have had some greats wins and done well under nedveds reign as such, but the performances and styles of play obvisouly differ from the days of deschamps, davids and zidane in midfield.

we need a player in midfield who can pass, spread the ball well, unlock defences and really feed the strikers. we need quality midfielders to partner emerson. back ups for defence should be quality young stars. thuram is nearing the end and cannavaro isnt young anymore.

moggi needs to look at the future this summer. every player rumoured to juve thus far has been a player out of contract and they are fairly old. there is a reason the clubs dont want these players so why should moggi pick up their scraps?

we shouldnt be getting kovac, kaffour, giannichedda, nonda...because they are out of contract. we should be looking at younger stars for the future.

if kovac comes in on a free, then chivu and barzagli should join also. if giannichedda comes free, use some cash to get essien. that would be logical one would think.

 

[legend delpiero]

++ [ originally posted by BAH_Bianconero ] ++
Cappello needs to go out.. seriously.. It's his fault we're out of the champions league, and it's his fault we lost the 8 point lead.. Long balls??? WHY?!? He also made a 433, which was doing quite well, and then trashed it to make room for a barely-fit underpar Nedved.. I read that moggi said that he's 100% sure cappello staying.. Let's hope that's one of his usual lies..

it was also thanks to him that we got a 8 point lead, compare that with us last season, hes improved the team, not massively, but we are getting better,he has to get rid of some old clutter and make the squad stronger first.

 

[Azzurri7]

Great Post Primo.

About Capello, I know it's kinda too early to judge him, as this is his 1st year with us. BUT, I can see many negative things happenin in the near future.

1-If Nedved was a Disaster this year, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF HIS INJURY, But because of Capello.

2-Zlatan's Selfishness seems to Satisfy Capello( I don't think it will change )

3-His Subs are always Freak, You can always expect the worse Subs when it comes to Juve ( Ok,Except the Madrid one )

4-Not Giving Del Piero and Neved the Freedom to move with the ball like they used to under Lippi.

5-He depends way too much on Emerson,Zlatan and THIS IS WRONG.....

6-Player like Tacchinardi always Benched is a MISTAKE!!!!!!!

7-Giving Away Enzo Maresca was a Disaster From Capello and Moggi!

8-Make your Choice either you play the 4-4-2, or the 4-3-3.
Now as I said it's really early to Judge him, But I don't know what the Future awaits this Team.


Do we need new Blood? YES...

Out:

Mutu (Business, we need cash)
Montero (Old)
Ferrara (Legend but Old)
Trezeguet (Although my heart says no, But.....)


In:

Gila
Chivu
Essien
Janko

NO Cassano, No Mutu....(I know Capello is Inlove with Cassano, But it's not my Problem, and if he does bring Cassano, then you can say i want him out)

Nonda would be great, But Gila would be EXCELLENT.

 

[Manni]

It's been mentioned on here before, but the fact that Capello has won the title at every club he's managed tells the pessimist everything.

He's transformed the team since Ancelotti's reign and with new additions it will improve - he's not even been here 1 year!

He's the reason that Juve got this far this season, CL QF and (just) joint first in serie A - that's a darn sight better than last season.

God knows where we'd be languishing without him. Let's hope Moggi ISN'T lying.

 

[Primo]

Well, I never said he wasn't a great coach. All I'm saying is that there are probably two situations you can choose from:

1. Capello isn't perfectly fitted to the style of play we would want.

2. Our players aren't entirely fitted to the style of play Capello wants.

So how do you guys see it?

I think Capello's job would be made easier if we had some creative spark in the middle because he has made this team SOLID, but it still lacks a star. The thing is, we don't have a star.

Look at what Ancelotti did to Milan. He made the team solid, with players like Kaka and Pirlo to work on some magic behind a very solid team.

In the summer, the only two solutions I see to solve our desires are:

1. We keep Capello and give him a magical player to work on top of the solidity he has created from the current team.

or

2. Keep the current squad and buy more key players, but change the coach and inject new mentallity in the team tactics.

 

[Manni]

That creative spark in the middle of the pitch used to come from Nedved, but injury has clearly blighted his season, and thus the team's season. (I personally think that they psychologically rely too heavily upon him.)

Essien, anybody?

 

[ZAF3000]

NOTE: Prepare yourself for a long post sorry!! but I think its worth it.
This is a very nice thread. I was about to start one !!
What happenned this season was not one man's mistake it was the whole thing that collapsed.
Let us start from the beginning:
Last season:
1- We had a very good team but we faced one major problem "DEFFENCE". Our deffence was the worst in the past 10 years. The reasons were
a- We signed appiah which was not a very wise thing to do. Tacchinardi was not having the best season too PLUS conte got old. This lead to shaky deffensive mid field. Which also lead to an exposed deffence.
b- We singed Legro which was the worst signing in the past 10 years Juve have ever made.. Totally not Juve CB material. With Ferrara and Montero getting old it was just a disaster waiting to happen. Legro performed well before he came to Juve and Lippi gave him enough time to join the squad well but it was clear later that Legro was not Juve material.
2- Our offence was quite good we managed to score many goals and end matches scoring 4 and 5 many times unlike this season. The reasons behind this were:
a- We had Miccoli who is one of the best Italian assisting strikers.
b- We had Maresca who is may be the best itlian long ball passer.
c- We had Divaio who started the season really well then his performance and went down along with the fact that he couldn't keep himself away from offside. Nevertheless, Divaio was a FINISHER. A scored well last season.
Main problems were that Nedved performance decreased (but Meresca was there to cover) Injuries to Trezeguet and Del Piero. And the reason we lost both Scudetto and CL that the whole team was under par.

Now in the above case all of us expected solutions to be
1- New coach because we all knew Lippi was leaving (By the way Lippi in my eyes is the best coach in the world) because he wanted to coach the national team or retire.
2- New deffenders..
3- if we had money a mid fielder epsecially offensive midfielder.

LAST SUMMER
We signed the following:
1- New coach = Capello (they couldn't have done it better. The best coach to take charge of Juve after Lippi).
2- We did manage to get Cannavaro BEST SIGNING LAST SUMMER. and we got Zebina which is ok since he was free. So only one deffender,, we needed atleast another one. FIRST MISTAKE
3- We signed Emerson and Blasi, BUT we should have released Appiah immediately. This way it'll be Conte/Appiah out Emeron/Blasi in. BUT instead we lost Meresca SECOND MISTAKE.
4- We signed Ibrahimovic and brought back Zalayata and lost Miccoli and Divaio... One paper may look and sound ok since Zlatan instead of Miccoli and Zalaya instead of Divio. BUT we forgot about something Divaio and Miccoli are FAST players were Zalayata and Zlatan are slow player. Juve's style is already slow we slowed it even more. Though we did get Kapo but still the team lacks speed. THIRD MISTAKE

The beginning of the season:

Any way seasons starts off well with all players being healthy. Which meant we were the number 1 team in Europe we were undefeatable.
Then Trezeguet got injured, followed by Del Piero. We found ourselves short on attackers (whcih is kinda ok since its a blow to get two strikers out) still we were doing fine with Zlatan and Zalayta up front.
Tactically some mistakes were done, limiting Nedved to the left side was not a wise thing. This side is where Del Piero plays at. By putting Nedved there you were limiting both Del Piero and Nedved capabilities (my opinion so I won't call it a mistake).
Tiredness and fatigue were really clear. Because Capello didn't play players like Tacchinrdi enough so they can perform well when needed. Same players played all matches whether its CL or Serie A. With the extra games in the Serie A it was a killer. And since we did not have a player like Maresca to fill in for nedved partially it was tiring to play nedved all matches. Even more when nedved does not perform there is noone else to replace him or help him on the field. Look at Milan they have Kaka and Pirlo on the field we should have had Nedved and Maresca on the field this way we have more creativity.

Winter transfer market
We signed Mutu for free which is good because he is fast and skilled and can play as a left wing (something Capello has made Nedved to play). Plus we can later sell him if we don't want him to play. Downside he was on a ban till may which means the benifit of him will come starting this summer. We let go on Legro, Tudor and Iuliano which I think was a good move. The bad move was not to get any player instead FOURTH MISTAKE.

After X-mas:

Nedved got Injured... No replacement. Even 4-3-3 was not a very good choice we still lacked creativity and speed. We lacked formation stability FIFTH MISTAKE.
Another Capello mistake was to let players play when they are not fully ready. Lippi's way was when a player returns from an ijury he starts from the bench then make him go on from there. Where look at the Nedved state he started off by playing immediately a full game. Even moer after the team has finally found themselves doing well with 4-3-3 we returned to 4-4-2 which totally killed the team. Even worse when Zebina got injured we played 3-5-2 which even worsen the situation SIXTH MISTAKE.

Looking back we did not have players that can play free kicks, we only have Del Piero and Nedved who have the balls to shoot on goal, and camoranesi to make crosses. We lost Maresca and Miccoli who are very good free kick takers. SEVENTH MISTAKE.

What should Juve do this summer?

Looking from above I think we should first aquire players that can fill:
1- Creative midfielder, i.e. Maresca, Pirlo style.
2- Keep Mutu since Capello seems to want to play like this no free role player.
3- Aquire another creative OFFENISVE mdifielder as in Stancovic and Aimar's style. Fiore would do the job I think.
4- Get atleast TWO CB. Because Ferrara is mostly retiring (WE SHOULD NOT SELL HIM. IF HE WANTS TO STAY ANOTHER YEAR HE SHOULD STAY BUT NOT PLAY, JUST LET HIM END HIS CAREER WITH JUVE).
5- We should get right side back. something like Oddo.
6- IF we sell Trezeguet we should consider finding another finisher, as in Gilardino's style.
7- Keep Zlatan and Del Piero.
8- If pessotto wants to retire, Chellini is a very good replacement that wont cost us a thing.
9- If you want to sell Zalayta, get a fast striker.
10 - Sell Olivera, montero, Appiah
Our end result would be (I will right next to new player the name of the player's style):
Goal Keepers:
Buffon, Chimenti
Center back:
Cannavaro, Thuram, New Player 1 (Paolo Cannavaro), New Player 2.
Right back:
New player 3 (Oddo), Birindelli, Zebina
Left back:
Zambrotta, Pessotto, Chelini
Deffensive midfilder:
Emerson, Tacchinardi, Blasi
Offensive Midfielder:
Player 4 (Firoe) and Player 5 (Maresca).
Right Wing:
Camoranesi, Kapo.
Left wing:
Mutu, Nedved.
Attackers:
Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Zalayata and Trezeguet (or their replacement)

Total: 25 players.

With the above lineup we can play our well known and fearable 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, 3-5-2 or what ever is needed without changing players sites alot.

What do you think?

 

[Daddi]

I like 3-5-2. I think we should get players from Udinese: Felipe, Muntari, Jankulovski (if still possible) and Pizarro. Then we should get Zaccardo and Barzagli. Chiellini back. Gilardino and Cassano.


------Cassano/Mutu--Gilardino/Zlatan
--------------------Nedved
----------Muntari-Pizarro-Emerson
----Chivu-Cannavaro-Thuram-Zambrotta
---------------------Buffon

Chivu or Chiellini, I rather have Chivu for freekicks, but if he's too expensive, Chiellini is great
Barzagli should be bought for replacement of Thuram in the future.
Zaccardo and Felipe are 2 defenders I would want to see, but 1 of them only.

 

[Espectro]

++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
NOTE: Prepare yourself for a long post sorry!! but I think its worth it.
This is a very nice thread. I was about to start one !!
What happenned this season was not one man's mistake it was the whole thing that collapsed.
Let us start from the beginning:
Last season:
1- We had a very good team but we faced one major problem "DEFFENCE". Our deffence was the worst in the past 10 years. The reasons were
a- We signed appiah which was not a very wise thing to do. Tacchinardi was not having the best season too PLUS conte got old. This lead to shaky deffensive mid field. Which also lead to an exposed deffence.
b- We singed Legro which was the worst signing in the past 10 years Juve have ever made.. Totally not Juve CB material. With Ferrara and Montero getting old it was just a disaster waiting to happen. Legro performed well before he came to Juve and Lippi gave him enough time to join the squad well but it was clear later that Legro was not Juve material.
2- Our offence was quite good we managed to score many goals and end matches scoring 4 and 5 many times unlike this season. The reasons behind this were:
a- We had Miccoli who is one of the best Italian assisting strikers.
b- We had Maresca who is may be the best itlian long ball passer.
c- We had Divaio who started the season really well then his performance and went down along with the fact that he couldn't keep himself away from offside. Nevertheless, Divaio was a FINISHER. A scored well last season.
Main problems were that Nedved performance decreased (but Meresca was there to cover) Injuries to Trezeguet and Del Piero. And the reason we lost both Scudetto and CL that the whole team was under par.

Now in the above case all of us expected solutions to be
1- New coach because we all knew Lippi was leaving (By the way Lippi in my eyes is the best coach in the world) because he wanted to coach the national team or retire.
2- New deffenders..
3- if we had money a mid fielder epsecially offensive midfielder.

LAST SUMMER
We signed the following:
1- New coach = Capello (they couldn't have done it better. The best coach to take charge of Juve after Lippi).
2- We did manage to get Cannavaro BEST SIGNING LAST SUMMER. and we got Zebina which is ok since he was free. So only one deffender,, we needed atleast another one. FIRST MISTAKE
3- We signed Emerson and Blasi, BUT we should have released Appiah immediately. This way it'll be Conte/Appiah out Emeron/Blasi in. BUT instead we lost Meresca SECOND MISTAKE.
4- We signed Ibrahimovic and brought back Zalayata and lost Miccoli and Divaio... One paper may look and sound ok since Zlatan instead of Miccoli and Zalaya instead of Divio. BUT we forgot about something Divaio and Miccoli are FAST players were Zalayata and Zlatan are slow player. Juve's style is already slow we slowed it even more. Though we did get Kapo but still the team lacks speed. THIRD MISTAKE

The beginning of the season:

Any way seasons starts off well with all players being healthy. Which meant we were the number 1 team in Europe we were undefeatable.
Then Trezeguet got injured, followed by Del Piero. We found ourselves short on attackers (whcih is kinda ok since its a blow to get two strikers out) still we were doing fine with Zlatan and Zalayta up front.
Tactically some mistakes were done, limiting Nedved to the left side was not a wise thing. This side is where Del Piero plays at. By putting Nedved there you were limiting both Del Piero and Nedved capabilities (my opinion so I won't call it a mistake).
Tiredness and fatigue were really clear. Because Capello didn't play players like Tacchinrdi enough so they can perform well when needed. Same players played all matches whether its CL or Serie A. With the extra games in the Serie A it was a killer. And since we did not have a player like Maresca to fill in for nedved partially it was tiring to play nedved all matches. Even more when nedved does not perform there is noone else to replace him or help him on the field. Look at Milan they have Kaka and Pirlo on the field we should have had Nedved and Maresca on the field this way we have more creativity.

Winter transfer market
We signed Mutu for free which is good because he is fast and skilled and can play as a left wing (something Capello has made Nedved to play). Plus we can later sell him if we don't want him to play. Downside he was on a ban till may which means the benifit of him will come starting this summer. We let go on Legro, Tudor and Iuliano which I think was a good move. The bad move was not to get any player instead FOURTH MISTAKE.

After X-mas:

Nedved got Injured... No replacement. Even 4-3-3 was not a very good choice we still lacked creativity and speed. We lacked formation stability FIFTH MISTAKE.
Another Capello mistake was to let players play when they are not fully ready. Lippi's way was when a player returns from an ijury he starts from the bench then make him go on from there. Where look at the Nedved state he started off by playing immediately a full game. Even moer after the team has finally found themselves doing well with 4-3-3 we returned to 4-4-2 which totally killed the team. Even worse when Zebina got injured we played 3-5-2 which even worsen the situation SIXTH MISTAKE.

Looking back we did not have players that can play free kicks, we only have Del Piero and Nedved who have the balls to shoot on goal, and camoranesi to make crosses. We lost Maresca and Miccoli who are very good free kick takers. SEVENTH MISTAKE.

What should Juve do this summer?

Looking from above I think we should first aquire players that can fill:
1- Creative midfielder, i.e. Maresca, Pirlo style.
2- Keep Mutu since Capello seems to want to play like this no free role player.
3- Aquire another creative OFFENISVE mdifielder as in Stancovic and Aimar's style. Fiore would do the job I think.
4- Get atleast TWO CB. Because Ferrara is mostly retiring (WE SHOULD NOT SELL HIM. IF HE WANTS TO STAY ANOTHER YEAR HE SHOULD STAY BUT NOT PLAY, JUST LET HIM END HIS CAREER WITH JUVE).
5- We should get right side back. something like Oddo.
6- IF we sell Trezeguet we should consider finding another finisher, as in Gilardino's style.
7- Keep Zlatan and Del Piero.
8- If pessotto wants to retire, Chellini is a very good replacement that wont cost us a thing.
9- If you want to sell Zalayta, get a fast striker.
10 - Sell Olivera, montero, Appiah
Our end result would be (I will right next to new player the name of the player's style):
Goal Keepers:
Buffon, Chimenti
Center back:
Cannavaro, Thuram, New Player 1 (Paolo Cannavaro), New Player 2.
Right back:
New player 3 (Oddo), Birindelli, Zebina
Left back:
Zambrotta, Pessotto, Chelini
Deffensive midfilder:
Emerson, Tacchinardi, Blasi
Offensive Midfielder:
Player 4 (Firoe) and Player 5 (Maresca).
Right Wing:
Camoranesi, Kapo.
Left wing:
Mutu, Nedved.
Attackers:
Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Zalayata and Trezeguet (or their replacement)

Total: 25 players.

With the above lineup we can play our well known and fearable 4-4-2 or 4-3-3, 3-5-2 or what ever is needed without changing players sites alot.

What do you think?

This has to be one of the best post I have ever seen in this year... agree with you ZAF...

 

[ZAF3000]

I like Cassano he is a great talent.. But currently Juve does not need him. We have Ibrahimovic and Del Piero for that role. If we are going to buy an attacker he should be a finisher/striker. We will pay big money for Cassano who is a player we truely don't need.

 

[ZAF3000]

++ [ originally posted by Espectro ] ++



This has to be one of the best post I have ever seen in this year... agree with you ZAF...

I am glad you liked it.. I am sorry it is such a long post, but I felt the situation needs it. I tried to make it as short as possible. I really think if we can get those key players and get our lineup as above we will be a very strong team that does not egt that much affected by the injury or the abcense of a player or two.

 

[Espectro]

Dont worry ZAF it was a long post but worth read it

 

[simpson-juvefan]

I hope us awaits a future of glory.