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(Abd el-Mutallib bin Hashim) it's true he was the grandfather of the P-Mohammad, But His grand grand father before was (Qusay bin Kilab) (thats why king of jordan they keep on calling him ( Men Sulalat Al hashimiin ) due to Hashim Grand Grand father of the Profit Mohammad..
Your information about the king of Jordan is irrelavent because I know the prophet's background (which is spelled "prophet" not "profit" ... I'd actually hoped that you would have picked this up from my posts by now)
P.s Someone who is smart like P Mohammad when you say that he is illiterate your insulting him, because the P Mohammad was a man who loved to had a big knowledge and to had an idea about everything....
With all due respect, pick up a dictionary and look-up the word illiterate. It's not an insult. It's a fact and there's no need to sugarcoat facts. Hint: illiterate does not mean "not knowledgable" or "stupid."
2- It is True there were Jews but they were very few and real arabs the big arabic tribs didn't have no religion..
Wrong again. Jews in Madina formed a large portion of its population. Also, there were Christians in the area too.
3- His wife helped him to buy weapons to Fight (Quraish) who had alot of money and she by her money she simply attracted people into him INSTEAD of joining the ( Quraish ) group..
1. Fight? Buy weapons? Where do you come up with this? Wrong. At that time, it wasn't permisable for the prophet pbuh to fight even it was for self defense! They had to put up with Quraish's brutality. Khadija (rah) passed away a couple of years before Hijra. The first battle (self-defense) was Badr when the prophet was already in Madina. So, this all rules out her directly "helping" the prophet to buy weapons. Anyhow, She was indeed wealthy and noble where she aqcuired her wealth from business. Her money however, was used to support Mohammed pbuh's family while the prophet preached for around a decade.
2. She probably used her wealth to help, but not as a tool to attract the early Muslims. Common man, logicaly, are people going to join Islam for the money and be fine with getting tortured and ridiculed!!? Think about it. The early followers had great faith and it's degrading to assume that they followed Mohammed pbuh for her money.
4- Did you watch ( Al-Resalla ) Movie?? and your just writing what you saw in that movie?? False information anyhow....
Nope. Never watched it, and probably won't. Not even the Passion of the Christ. I really don't want to see a movie that'll subconsciously/mistaknly place faulty information about improtant matters such as this.
5- ( Quraish ) Knew exactly what P mohammad plans was, it's not a matter of doubt....
They knew the effects of his message. His only plan was to spread the message bestowed upon him.
6- Sena and Shia were at ( Imam w Ali's time ) and the sena's name was (Al khawaresh)...Your trying to say that Shia said that El Khulafa changed the religion eventhough they had Al Imam w Ali who made the Shia and created this Group...So am not saying if (EL-Khulafa) is Sina or Shia, what am trying to say is that these 4 didn't had the religion ideas that The Profit had......P.s Shia never said that they changed the religion, am talking for myself not for the Shia...
In anycase, I'm refuting what you are saying. That's what this argument is about isn't it?
7- Our Basic Quraan only, and i don't think there is someone who is using the Quraan to understand the Islam religion....Muslims listen to what Sheikh says and just PRACTICE what they say....The 1st ( 7adis ) that was written it was 100 years after the Profit's death... So i don't think it had remain the same Mr. Majed, and i wanna give you a simple example of that (Put 10 person together and let them stay in a line and tell the 1st person to transmit a message you give him to the other person who's next to him and so on till the 10th person) what the 10th person will get will be 90% diff of what YOU said... and this is a happening in a same period of time...so how about the 100 years Mr. Majed??
Again, you're throwing together current mistakes with things that are indeed part of Islam. Sounds like that's a personal opinion. Fact is, Al-27adeeth are well documented by sources leading up to the prophet. They were separetd into classes of accuracy by people more knowledgable than you and I long ago. BTW, 100 years after isn't that much. That's "a line" of 3 or 4 people. Remember, we're talking about Arabs here. People whom memorize poems of thousands of lines for entertainment. Is there a chance of error, of course, that's why these a7adith are graded according to accuracy. The profiles, records, and backgrounds of EACH reciter was checked. We're also talking about the Arabic language. Not the Labanese-French-Arabic-English that you speak, or the slang Najd-English Arabic i speak. We're talking about the Arabic that you read. The Formal Arabic. Not just that. They applied ALL the rules. meaning the accents and sounds of EVERY letter. (Those who speak Arabic know what I'm talking about). Unlike English, it's impossable to be ambiguous because the word sounds differnet according to each of its grammatical places (subject, object, single, plural, masculine, femanine)
8- When you give ANY religion the power to Rule, you will BE corrupted in a religion and this is the point..
False cause. curruption is often the product of POWER not religion.
9- National Team of Saudi in Soccer, they didn't allow Romanian Coach to train the team Because he's Christian and he didn't enter Saudi Arabia....
1. You seem to ignore the fact that I and almost every other Muslim agree that Saudi Arabia is far from being Islam's model country. Again, and for the []th time, don't mix up and confuse past, present, applied, and not applied rules of Islam. Also be cautious of falling into false cause.
2. That said, I'll still defend this particualr case. Saudi Arabia have had more forign coaches than native coaches. Look around in the Saudi Leage and count the number of Croat, Dutch, South American, or whatever coaches that we have.
( Is there Anyone in Saudi can eat in RAMADAN at street ) ??? I guess you know what am talking about
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1. Any Muslim isn't supposed to eat in Ramadhan anytime anywhere, and the kaffarah is required if he/she does eat intentially and without valid reason.
2. Any non-Muslim who eats in the streets? They should be allowed, but out of courtesy and respect for the natives whom are mostly all Muslim, they shouldn't. I honestly have no idea how of it they should be punished, but I won't be surpized if you told me that the authorities take an inappropriate action. Look at point #2 above.
Can the Saudi Women hang out without ( el Hijeb ) on her head???
Nope. zambrotta19 answered why way above.
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