and i also don't like English football nor buy their overhype
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That really sounds like me and even if it doesnt, are you implying that our board doesnt suck and that the transfer of Sissoko at that certain time was the right thing to do???:drill:
Did we reached the 3rd position because of the Sissoko transfer??
Did we improved our defense by Sissoko's arrival?
Did our creativity problems resolved after Sissoko's arrival??
Did we broke any record collecting points, since Sissoko arrived?
Was Sissoko the reason, Milan was so incompetent??
Was Sissoko the reason Fiorentina couldnt afford more than Vieri??
We didnt reach the third position because of Sissoko and Molinaro,
we reached that position, mostly because of the incompetence of our direct opponents and because of the heroic efforts of players like DP and Neddy, players that scored critical goals and made the difference all by themselves at some certain moments. Noce handled the job in Sissoko's place by then and the only difference were that we only managed to cripple Nocerino's motivation and finish his carrier with our club!
3rd place was secured because of the above mentioned reasons even without the transfer of Sissoko.
Sissoko certainly helped a lot, but if we had signed a better defender or an AMF in his place, the impact would be a lot different! A 20mil worth defender though would upgrade our team a great deal then! We lost too many points from stupid defensive mistakes.
On topic, i agree with your argument about Alonso's motivation to win another champion league but you should consider a things:
- CL is one of the most important competitions a football player wish, even world cup winners are motivated by this cup, the hunger will never completely go away as long as they are still active players. Alonso dint quit football after that title, he still has some ambition left in him and he isnt that old to quit yet.
-We also need players a few experienced players to calmly guide our team in some extreme situations some newbies would freak and choke, we need a mixture of determination and confidence. Amauri, Sissoko and Nedved are the type of players who will desperately try win the CL and Alonso and DP will calmly guide them to it, knowing that they worth to be there.
Just look Arsenal this year, everybody was hungry, but the luck of experience and confidence made them choke in the end!
A calm CM like Alonso would be essential to help us keeping our tempo at those difficult CL moments, making the right decisions and without rushing,
sharing his winning mentality...
We have enough players who havent won that competition!
-This certain Aquilani we are talking about is a hardcore Roma fun, he feels to be a part of this team, he is ready to accept less money to play for them.
That would be a very harder task to motivate such a player to win the league for us, esp against his favorite as a competitor!!
I am sure that Alonso would be more motivated to win the championship owning Roma in the way...
And right now, a CM is a priority along with a LB.
CMs are different than DMs, CMs can help us a bit with building up our play when going on offensively, that is smth we really need right now!
A second DM would be a mistake and add nothing to this team, but a quality starter CM like Alonso, would upgrade our team a great deal!
PS both me and Andy agree with you that EPL players are overpaid and overrated
and we all know that Spanish players dont have a good tradition in serie A, but we have to look at each player separately, Alonso has many tactical elements that would fit our play and his value is somewhat proven.
If we manage to bring him in favorable financial terms, that would be a great success.
I hate the EPL too, but hating every English player is just racist,
it is true that 80% of them cant dribble and they only are efficient when they abuse their pace and power, but Alonso is not at all like that, he is a different kind of player, he is not like that!
Not quite, the Latino guy, who would dribble just to show off, neither the run and gun typical EPL player, he is just the right thing for us!!
Did we reached the 3rd position because of the Sissoko transfer??
Did we improved our defense by Sissoko's arrival?
Did our creativity problems resolved after Sissoko's arrival??
Did we broke any record collecting points, since Sissoko arrived?
Was Sissoko the reason, Milan was so incompetent??
Was Sissoko the reason Fiorentina couldnt afford more than Vieri??
We didnt reach the third position because of Sissoko and Molinaro,
we reached that position, mostly because of the incompetence of our direct opponents and because of the heroic efforts of players like DP and Neddy, players that scored critical goals and made the difference all by themselves at some certain moments. Noce handled the job in Sissoko's place by then and the only difference were that we only managed to cripple Nocerino's motivation and finish his carrier with our club!
3rd place was secured because of the above mentioned reasons even without the transfer of Sissoko.
Sissoko certainly helped a lot, but if we had signed a better defender or an AMF in his place, the impact would be a lot different! A 20mil worth defender though would upgrade our team a great deal then! We lost too many points from stupid defensive mistakes.
On topic, i agree with your argument about Alonso's motivation to win another champion league but you should consider a things:
- CL is one of the most important competitions a football player wish, even world cup winners are motivated by this cup, the hunger will never completely go away as long as they are still active players. Alonso dint quit football after that title, he still has some ambition left in him and he isnt that old to quit yet.
-We also need players a few experienced players to calmly guide our team in some extreme situations some newbies would freak and choke, we need a mixture of determination and confidence. Amauri, Sissoko and Nedved are the type of players who will desperately try win the CL and Alonso and DP will calmly guide them to it, knowing that they worth to be there.
Just look Arsenal this year, everybody was hungry, but the luck of experience and confidence made them choke in the end!
A calm CM like Alonso would be essential to help us keeping our tempo at those difficult CL moments, making the right decisions and without rushing,
sharing his winning mentality...
We have enough players who havent won that competition!
-This certain Aquilani we are talking about is a hardcore Roma fun, he feels to be a part of this team, he is ready to accept less money to play for them.
That would be a very harder task to motivate such a player to win the league for us, esp against his favorite as a competitor!!
I am sure that Alonso would be more motivated to win the championship owning Roma in the way...
And right now, a CM is a priority along with a LB.
CMs are different than DMs, CMs can help us a bit with building up our play when going on offensively, that is smth we really need right now!
A second DM would be a mistake and add nothing to this team, but a quality starter CM like Alonso, would upgrade our team a great deal!
PS both me and Andy agree with you that EPL players are overpaid and overrated
and we all know that Spanish players dont have a good tradition in serie A, but we have to look at each player separately, Alonso has many tactical elements that would fit our play and his value is somewhat proven.
If we manage to bring him in favorable financial terms, that would be a great success.
I hate the EPL too, but hating every English player is just racist,
it is true that 80% of them cant dribble and they only are efficient when they abuse their pace and power, but Alonso is not at all like that, he is a different kind of player, he is not like that!
Not quite, the Latino guy, who would dribble just to show off, neither the run and gun typical EPL player, he is just the right thing for us!!
You say this, he says something different (about ability in Alonso) then agrees with you.
Ok. First about Spains national team. C in achievements, A in ability. Xabi is not a tactician, he is a footballer. He is told what to do by Ranieri, not by a Spanish manager.
Juventus' tradition is to win. We've done it loads, and we'll do it more. Thats the only tradition we should keep. Not some transfer thing in which we buy players to make them big stars. So what if Viera joined for the money or Emerson did whatever. We won a scudetto with them and at the end of the day thats whats important. You know, 'tradition'.
Lets play a team who tries hard. At least they could make it to the CL final. No, Lippi built a better squad than Capello. He makes his players work together like no other tactician. Capello is a very good coach, but not the same as Lippi is. Alonso isn't hungry enough though. He wasn't on the team which beat Juventus and went on to win the CL after all, was he? Give that one up.
And yeah we have fighting spirit. Sissoko was average at Liverpool, hardly anyone wanted him and he comes out and shows he is a fighter. He changed (the scouse cunt!).
Yeah, we do need a mixture of them. I never said we shouldn't have a mixture. Just pinning our hopes on potentially good players is not smart.
And I never said you thought they were shit, just overrated.
Ok. First about Spains national team. C in achievements, A in ability. Xabi is not a tactician, he is a footballer. He is told what to do by Ranieri, not by a Spanish manager.
Juventus' tradition is to win. We've done it loads, and we'll do it more. Thats the only tradition we should keep. Not some transfer thing in which we buy players to make them big stars. So what if Viera joined for the money or Emerson did whatever. We won a scudetto with them and at the end of the day thats whats important. You know, 'tradition'.
Lets play a team who tries hard. At least they could make it to the CL final. No, Lippi built a better squad than Capello. He makes his players work together like no other tactician. Capello is a very good coach, but not the same as Lippi is. Alonso isn't hungry enough though. He wasn't on the team which beat Juventus and went on to win the CL after all, was he? Give that one up.
And yeah we have fighting spirit. Sissoko was average at Liverpool, hardly anyone wanted him and he comes out and shows he is a fighter. He changed (the scouse cunt!).
Yeah, we do need a mixture of them. I never said we shouldn't have a mixture. Just pinning our hopes on potentially good players is not smart.
And I never said you thought they were shit, just overrated.
Really?
Where?
Anyway, taking your point that "players who never won a shit are more motivated" I have few examples to demostre the contrary. Actually I'll name just one: Martin Palermo, the guy with Boca has won everything, top goal scorer, has won Copa Libertadores and a lot of some other things. Yeah, he didn't played well at Europe, but wtf, the guy is 33-34 years old still wants to win all. Win something or win nothing doesn't make a difference; what makes a difference is the personal motivation of the player. That's all.
Where?
Anyway, taking your point that "players who never won a shit are more motivated" I have few examples to demostre the contrary. Actually I'll name just one: Martin Palermo, the guy with Boca has won everything, top goal scorer, has won Copa Libertadores and a lot of some other things. Yeah, he didn't played well at Europe, but wtf, the guy is 33-34 years old still wants to win all. Win something or win nothing doesn't make a difference; what makes a difference is the personal motivation of the player. That's all.
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