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Dantes

Senior Member
Dec 15, 2017
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How is it debatable? England haven't delivered any results that justify a seed rank above Poland.
Poland have only reached the knockout rounds of a major tournament once in 36 years. In that same period, England's qualification to the KO stages is in double figures.

There are other takes on this. Some which will favour my position and some which will favour yours. So it's debatable. I am not claiming England should outrank Brazil here.

Instead, let me ask you a question. Should Poland be ranked at #8 in the World?
 
Jun 6, 2015
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Poland have only reached the knockout rounds of a major tournament once in 36 years. In that same period, England's qualification to the KO stages is in double figures.

There are other takes on this. Some which will favour my position and some which will favour yours. So it's debatable. I am not claiming England should outrank Brazil here.

Instead, let me ask you a question. Should Poland be ranked at #8 in the World?
Yes
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Poland have only reached the knockout rounds of a major tournament once in 36 years. In that same period, England's qualification to the KO stages is in double figures.

There are other takes on this. Some which will favour my position and some which will favour yours. So it's debatable. I am not claiming England should outrank Brazil here.

Instead, let me ask you a question. Should Poland be ranked at #8 in the World?
What England did in the past is irrelevant, though.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Poland have only reached the knockout rounds of a major tournament once in 36 years. In that same period, England's qualification to the KO stages is in double figures.

There are other takes on this. Some which will favour my position and some which will favour yours. So it's debatable. I am not claiming England should outrank Brazil here.

Instead, let me ask you a question. Should Poland be ranked at #8 in the World?
It might be debatable, but you are yet to provide any solid argument to this why Poland shouldn't be ranked ahead of England. The above is nonsense; results the last 36 years? :howler:

And yes, Poland's place is sensible. Whether they should be 8, 10 or 12 is a minor detail. But they should be ahead of England. No doubt.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Again.

You've created in your own mind a point I did not make. And then countered my imaginary statements. It's a cheap shot.

To be clear. I believe that Poland should not be 1st seed. And, for the record, I do not underestimate Iceland (and for reasons that are obvious).
What? This isn't about 'deserve'. It's the ranking. They're simply ranked high enough.

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Dantes

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Dec 15, 2017
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What England did in the past is irrelevant, though.
Yes. But we have to look back some ways, whether that's a couple of years or many more than that. The Champions League seeding, for instance, looks back at around five years of previous. And international tournaments are less frequent.

I'd hope, @Hængebøffer, that you can accept there is at least a debatable position about whether or not England should rank above Poland. Having said that, what started this, was my suggestion that Poland shouldn't have ranked above England, Spain, Columbia and Uruguay. And the implication being that a better ranking system would have resulted in more balanced groups. It was Maddy that decided to make this all about England.

P.S. If there are any Poles on here, I wish you all the best for the tournament. This looks like I'm bashing your lot. Even though they did game the rankings system to get a favourable seed.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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Italy deserved to be seeded in pot 1 just because they won the World Cup in 2006

/end Dante logic mode
He hasn't provided a single argument to why Poland shouldn't be seeded ahead of England, but hey it's debatable.

All in all it coems down to a guy thinking England is better than Poland and therefore should be seeded ahead. Perhaps it's tiem for England to show up then? Perhaps not lose to Costa Rica and Iceland.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Yes. But we have to look back some ways, whether that's a couple of years or many more than that. The Champions League seeding, for instance, looks back at around five years of previous. And international tournaments are less frequent.

I'd hope, @Hængebøffer, that you can accept there is at least a debatable position about whether or not England should rank above Poland. Having said that, what started this, was my suggestion that Poland shouldn't have ranked above England, Spain, Columbia and Uruguay. And the implication being that a better ranking system would have resulted in more balanced groups. It was Maddy that decided to make this all about England.
I think England would beat Poland if they played tomorrow. Do I think they deserve to be ranked higher? No. Both Poland and England have been doing good, but (Imo) Poland did better if we look at stats.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
These pots are pretty sensible. Can't understand why people trip over them. Of course there's a country or two that looks odd (Serbia), but that's it.
 

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