Wojciech Szczęsny (45 Viewers)
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of course we tried. we talked to raiola and donnarumma, but tek had no offers due to high wages.
i don't think any club (besides psg) can afford 2 goalies on 6.5m and ~10m, especially not this season. the market is completely dead, only some pl clubs and psg can afford to sign relatively expensive deals. mind you, top3 "non psg, non pl" deals are upamecano to bayern (42m), abraham to roma (40m), de paul to atleti (35m), and there's nothing else above 30m. in fact, there's only 10 deals above 35m this summer, everything included. 2 years ago, there was 27 (!!!) players that were more expensive than 35m. covid and closed stadiums completely killed the liquidity of non-epl clubs. smaller clubs like aston villa are helped by oil clubs too, villa just spent some of that grealish money on someone i don't even know.
anyway, bottom line is that we of course tried for donnarumma, but ticiconomics and covid tied our hands. be prepared for 3 years like that: if our players won't take pay cuts, they will be very hard to move. so no replacements can be expected either.
i don't think any club (besides psg) can afford 2 goalies on 6.5m and ~10m, especially not this season. the market is completely dead, only some pl clubs and psg can afford to sign relatively expensive deals. mind you, top3 "non psg, non pl" deals are upamecano to bayern (42m), abraham to roma (40m), de paul to atleti (35m), and there's nothing else above 30m. in fact, there's only 10 deals above 35m this summer, everything included. 2 years ago, there was 27 (!!!) players that were more expensive than 35m. covid and closed stadiums completely killed the liquidity of non-epl clubs. smaller clubs like aston villa are helped by oil clubs too, villa just spent some of that grealish money on someone i don't even know.
anyway, bottom line is that we of course tried for donnarumma, but ticiconomics and covid tied our hands. be prepared for 3 years like that: if our players won't take pay cuts, they will be very hard to move. so no replacements can be expected either.
Considering how many points he saved last season, which actually is part of the reason we got into the CL, god forbids if we wouldnt, and that we didnt lose yesterday
You're all acting like an overly dramatic emotional teenage girl having extreme moodswings one of her first periods.
Buffon, Casillias,... all had howlers too. Szczesny had 2 in one game. we didnt lose, get the hell over it.
You're all acting like an overly dramatic emotional teenage girl having extreme moodswings one of her first periods.
Buffon, Casillias,... all had howlers too. Szczesny had 2 in one game. we didnt lose, get the hell over it.
Every keeper saves points, benevento and hellas verona keepers will have some great saves every other game. That doesn't make them Juventus level Goalies.
Our defensive record went down since we have Woj as our main keeper. I am 100% sure that Buffon was and still is the better choice, not because of his physical ability, but because of his defensive organization that he brings and his not braindead behaviour.
He is just not Juventus level! We saw that on several occasions. I just hope that this last game will bring some consequences.
We should 1000% have gone for Donnarumma. We fucket that one up, so let's get another Keeper. Give Perin a shot. Try Israel.
Loan buffon back. No idea, just do something!
Our defensive record went down since we have Woj as our main keeper. I am 100% sure that Buffon was and still is the better choice, not because of his physical ability, but because of his defensive organization that he brings and his not braindead behaviour.
He is just not Juventus level! We saw that on several occasions. I just hope that this last game will bring some consequences.
We should 1000% have gone for Donnarumma. We fucket that one up, so let's get another Keeper. Give Perin a shot. Try Israel.
Loan buffon back. No idea, just do something!
Statistics don't tell the whole story, but if there's a pattern, then there is mostly something to it
Serie A Season 20/21
Goals conceded: 38 (Buffon: 8 Games, 5 goals conceded; Woj: 30 games, 32 goals conceded)
20/21 - 38
19/20 - 43
18/19 - 30
17/18 - 24
16/17 - 27
15/16 - 20
14/15 - 24
13/14 - 23
12/13 - 24
11/12 - 20
These are only the numbers. But what struck me as well is this past season, the games that we had Gigi we seemed way more stable defensively.
Serie A Season 20/21
Goals conceded: 38 (Buffon: 8 Games, 5 goals conceded; Woj: 30 games, 32 goals conceded)
20/21 - 38
19/20 - 43
18/19 - 30
17/18 - 24
16/17 - 27
15/16 - 20
14/15 - 24
13/14 - 23
12/13 - 24
11/12 - 20
These are only the numbers. But what struck me as well is this past season, the games that we had Gigi we seemed way more stable defensively.
A bad match, but calm down people. First goal he is not the mainly villain. Ramsey is bad in the front of defense and Ligt was a stupid kid again. And second goal is something that can be fix easily in future.
Yes, he is not Buffon and would be better have someone better, but he is enough if defensive system work and he learn not to keep the ball as in the second goal.
Yes, he is not Buffon and would be better have someone better, but he is enough if defensive system work and he learn not to keep the ball as in the second goal.
Buffon :
- 8 seasons with Conte/Allegri (world class organisational coaches)
- Best years of Barzagli, Chiellini, Bonucci ; Marchisio, vidal
Szczesny :
- 2 seasons with different coaches. One is blatant chainsmoking idiot cunt, the other had more holes in his organisation than swiss cheese
- Garbage midfield
- Constant injuries, shifts of defenders, old guard retiring or well past their best
If you think based on these situations you can compare the goals conceded of both keepers, you should log out.
Szczesny outperformed Buffon for a whole season before Buffon quit Juve first time. He didnt make it be felt that the worlds all-time best GK left us. Last year and the start of this season has shown a bit shakiness for sure. But there is a high chance that he can get back in top shape. If we sacked players after 1 shaky season, then we would only be playing with Ronaldo, Cuadrado (and Berna) right now.
There are 10 players in our squad that we know for a fact are shit. Lets tar and feather them first.
There are 10 players in our squad that we know for a fact are shit. Lets tar and feather them first.
Yes our team became worse, our midfield is shit and that's the main reason why we fail currently.
But 20/21 Season the games played by our 43 year old Buffon, he had the exact same garbage midfield, defender shifts and ageing legends in front and still overperformed Woj. There is no excuse.
If you think Wojech is a good enough keeper for us, then you have a very funny perception.
But 20/21 Season the games played by our 43 year old Buffon, he had the exact same garbage midfield, defender shifts and ageing legends in front and still overperformed Woj. There is no excuse.
If you think Wojech is a good enough keeper for us, then you have a very funny perception.
Its not only that he made those two mistakes for which he is the main responsible, he also made toher mistakes during the match too, and most importantly, he adds nothing to the team.
We can't rely on him to earn us points. He is a passenger that concedes under slight pressure. Our GK should be someone that the team can count on to keep them in the game.
We can't rely on him to earn us points. He is a passenger that concedes under slight pressure. Our GK should be someone that the team can count on to keep them in the game.
I don't think he is the main responsable for the first goal. I spoke more in Ramsey thread, but he and Ligt make some bad job together. It is the same kind of problem that made Bonucci make a penalty against Atalanta. If you have someone that don't know how stay in the front of defense, you will made all defense looks badly.
The most important point of this game is that Ramsey is not good in the front of defense. This is more important fix. Or next matches will start to see all defenders making stupid mistakes
The most important point of this game is that Ramsey is not good in the front of defense. This is more important fix. Or next matches will start to see all defenders making stupid mistakes
Absolute ridiculous peasant nonsense.
Expert opinions entirely based on 1 game, and the complete random shit Pirlo was doing.
Also take in mind that Buffon isnt just a goalkeeper. We talk about the most consistant worldclass goalkeeper by far in history.
The economy sucks at the moment. We have way more important things to do on the transfermarket than the goalkeeper.
If this didnt happen today, you wouldnt have questionned him.
Messi or ronaldo missed open goals somewhere in their career. Its forgotten once they win a game afterwards (or the same game)
keeper makes howler and mistake : burn down the house
Expert opinions entirely based on 1 game, and the complete random shit Pirlo was doing.
Also take in mind that Buffon isnt just a goalkeeper. We talk about the most consistant worldclass goalkeeper by far in history.
The economy sucks at the moment. We have way more important things to do on the transfermarket than the goalkeeper.
If this didnt happen today, you wouldnt have questionned him.
Messi or ronaldo missed open goals somewhere in their career. Its forgotten once they win a game afterwards (or the same game)
keeper makes howler and mistake : burn down the house
18/19 was also a season where Tek played a lot, the only other we conceded 30. And the best years we had were 11/12, not really the peak of BBC-MV, and 15/16, which was without Vidal, Marchisio injured half a year and Allegri having to shift around with different formations. Buffon even at 34+ is a level above
He played too few games for you to say that. Buffon was no.1, played more, played the biggest games. 2nd GKs do well for us in this dominant decade, they get to play the low intensity, little pressure games and usually do well. Neto was the same, as was Storari. Last season was an exception, we had to fight for every point until the end. The pressure was always on and Buffon proved himself to be better still at pensioner age
Dont compare to Buffon but normal human beeings.
Lets be honest, Buffon had a very well oiled juventus team
tek had disfunctional crap from first sarri and then allegri.
especially last season isnt a good measure. Every peasant team could counter us right trough the middle with 3 simple steps
While sarri was offensive and not very organised
Lets be honest, Buffon had a very well oiled juventus team
tek had disfunctional crap from first sarri and then allegri.
especially last season isnt a good measure. Every peasant team could counter us right trough the middle with 3 simple steps
While sarri was offensive and not very organised